From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu (mta1.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.194]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893C110A01 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 10:53:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mta2.math.wisc.edu Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta1.math.wisc.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QttSwv7Fpb8f for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:52:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9053E0078 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:52:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ulam.math.wisc.edu (ulam.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.245]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:52:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vv507j (vv507j.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ulam.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E3112BDB8 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:52:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3835BDE60AD54D3991F211CD868918C5@math.wisc.edu> From: "John G. Heim" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <20090921003109.GA18755@gnuked.clearwire.net><20090921193613.GA26455@romuald.net.eu.org><20090921212439.GA28694@gnuked.clearwire.net><20090921212920.GU6140@const.famille.thibault.fr><20090922015045.GA12867@gnuked.clearwire.net> <20090922083805.GB6084@const.bordeaux.inria.fr> Subject: Re: How to use espeakup, revisited... Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:52:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 14:53:04 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samuel Thibault" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." People are not supposed to find useful information *here*, they're supposed to find useful information in the *Notice*, which is spkguide.txt and the manual pages, not this list (as that would mean that users would have to either browse the archive (tedious), or ask a question, wait, get an answer, ask another question, wait again, etc.). We clearly said that we welcome contributions to these (I personnally have absolutely no time atm to work on it, but can gladly commit). Obviously, no one with any sense would dispute the fact that the most efficient way to figure out how to use speakup is to read the documentation. But I do have a suggestion that I think would save a lot of headaches for us users. I think that the development team should try to use this list as a way to notify users of changes. For example, I don't think any notice was posted to this list about the switch from cvs to git. I used to use the shell script that came with speakup to download updates. All of a sudden it stopped wworking. I read this list almost every day and I never saw that coming. Obviously, I don't mean this as a criticism. I think you guys do fantastic work. I'm just saying that you could probably help a lot of people to avoid a lot of headaches if you posted messages here when such changes occured. And this stuff happens all the time. For example, there was the recent discussion about creating a file for a flag to indicate whether the synth was active or not. How are we going to know when that gets done? I guess I can keep browsing the documentation but wouldn't it make sense just to post a notification of that kind of thing to this list?