From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au (smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au [203.161.124.51]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA8B10B17 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F2DC42DF for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:38:06 +0800 (WST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au Received: from smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4fhMIYXjZlje for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:38:04 +0800 (WST) Received: from gotss1.gotss.net (203.161.101.89.static.amnet.net.au [203.161.101.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp2.wa.amnet.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C8BC4174 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:38:04 +0800 (WST) Received: from [192.168.24.191] (helo=computer) by gotss1.gotss.net with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KobrF-0006ck-AV for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:38:01 +0800 Message-ID: <34D278EDCEF54DC0A8A5A4A6F6C9BD75@computer> From: "Kerry Hoath" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <20081011084227.GA21623@pillow.holmesgrown.com> <20081011100902.GA21715@pillow.holmesgrown.com> Subject: Re: New Debian Install - HELP! Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:38:11 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:37:23 -0000 you can bring your system up in rescue mode no idea how to do that with speech sorry. Regards, kerry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holmes" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: New Debian Install - HELP! > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Well for now, I have lilo installed but for some reason, it doesn't > work right either. In the mean time, I booted with my slackware cd, > got into a shell and am trying to run lilo with a chroot to update the > lilo.conf file. But now I get a faital error about raid_setup. god > knows what's going on here. What does raid_setup got to do with lilo? > I haven't knowingly installed any raid. The difference here is I'm > trying to set up a boot sector on /dev/hda (MBR), Windows runs on > /dev/hda1 and I have Debian installed on /dev/hdb (1 and 2). System > files and all are in /dev/hdb1. > > Bottom line: I can't seem to get a decent boot sector built on the MBR > of /dev/hda so I can't boot into either system on that machine now. > > If I want to update things in Debian, is there an easier way other > than starting over every time? When I use the boot disk from Deb, I > always end up in the setup script and am forced to redo all the > partitions. there's got to be any easier way to do this. Am I > missing something here? > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 04:50:56PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote: >> Basically the reason grub won't do what you want right now is because you >> are not used to it. >> Lilo hard codes the boot locations of the kernel and initial ram disk >> into a >> block list which breaks every time you rebuild an initrd or recompile or >> move the kernel. >> Grub can read file systems, and you can fix it when the boot loader >> scrambles unlike lilo which just goes >> lililililililililili >> >> >> You can put lilo on and move to grub once you know how to make it go >> beep, >> how to make it spit its output through a serial port etc if you so >> choose. >> >> you probably wanted the options >> speakup_synth=xxxxx debconf/priority=low >> so it would ask you which boot loader to install; alternatively set the >> priority to low on the main menu. >> Regards, Kerry. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Holmes" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:42 PM >> Subject: Re: New Debian Install - HELP! >> >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: RIPEMD160 >> >> Yeah, I got past that now. I did it by pressing down arrow once >> followed by tab and then typed speakup.synth=spkout. That part >> worked. I am having a hang-up right now as grub is the default loader >> and after the install finished, I was forced to reboot. First of all, >> I don't know how to interract with grub and over-ride kernel >> parameters; but worse yet, my machine at the moment won't boot into >> anything!!!. I have an existing windows partition on the first disk >> and am I'm installing linux on the second disk. Apparently, grub did >> not configure this properly. It's like windows is trying to boot >> strait away and grub never comes up at all. I'm now sitting here >> waiting to errase the entire linux partition so I can start over with >> Debian and maybe I can get the thing to skip grub and install lilo >> instead. I know lilo from my Slackware days and I know it is capable >> of booting on one drive and dual booting for both windows and linux. >> Plus I can make lilo talk at the beginning. Grub looks to o >> convoluted to me as a first impression. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFI8Hs9WSjv55S0LfERAx+4AJ4+DkQXGKNfU11HVh+Jk/zmy/BPvwCgk7Ob > bYxxEqZ0HUjjd6fve/IWQcM= > =ZCwQ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >