From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Greylist: delayed 348 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at befuddled; Thu, 09 May 2013 12:35:33 EDT Received: from hapkido.dreamhost.com (hapkido.dreamhost.com [66.33.216.122]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6031EF6B1 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 12:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by hapkido.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7175080B3 for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEAF57807D for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:24:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=brannan.name; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s= brannan.name; bh=UO0MiU3dvXosC7JZ/1Lv5LhqiK4=; b=DLH6r8Bu1YEOkAq aB6uHg7QUleOTmzqmFoKawe2bGevuI+4mB3oEbE0+JMtr9wAqsYJVWzGG/m2Blu2 hfhIjW63Snl1alvBHEo2lvSI1sI8ljmrHuCeoO8u0MK11BQitCmz9XVpwIdBvk+U Ed08wLbcbdM4mg2Aje1skjKmRMPY= Received: from [192.168.1.123] (cpe-107-9-215-74.neo.res.rr.com [107.9.215.74]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: buddy@brannan.name) by homiemail-a61.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E2B057807C for ; Thu, 9 May 2013 09:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: Switching to Linux From: Buddy Brannan In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 12:24:27 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2C21E940-B1BA-4A41-9F10-5A2443C84D6C@brannan.name> References: <8021.1367479350@ccs.covici.com> <518A5508.8020502@gmail.com> <518A6931.6070806@math.wisc.edu> <25752.1368029641@ccs.covici.com> <518A9206.8090008@math.wisc.edu> <518B4FCB.6090003@baechler.net> <518BAC38.8060708@math.wisc.edu> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 16:35:36 -0000 I've been a little out of the loop for a while. Quite a while, as it = happens. How does one do a talking Debian stable install these days? = Serial synth required, or does speak happen somehow?=20 I haven't actually done a Debian install in something like 5 years, = probably. Maybe more. I really need to get my hand back in this stuff. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On May 9, 2013, at 11:41 AM, =D8yvind Lode wrote: > Current Debian stable ships with kernel 3.2.41 so no need for = backports. > Debian 7.0 codename "wheezy" released May 4th. >=20 > I have already upgraded my firewalls to Debian 7.0 and so far so good. >=20 > Next up is one of my main servers which runs a few services like web, = NTP, Samba and is currently powered by Debian 6.0. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Speakup [mailto:speakup-bounces@linux-speakup.org] On Behalf Of = John G. Heim > Sent: 9. mai 2013 16:01 > To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. > Subject: Re: Switching to Linux >=20 > All I did was to do a talking install the current debian stable. Orca=20= > came up talking on the login screen when I rebooted after finishing = the=20 > install. >=20 > Some recommendations: > 1. Go with debian stable. > 2. Consider doing a dist upgrade to stable backports. This gets you a=20= > 3.2 kernel. > 3. Use firefox and thunderbird from mozilla on sourceforge. Do not use=20= > the equivalent debian packages. > 4. Gedit is more than adequate as a replacement for notepad. > 5. Consider buying voxin. Voxin is eloquence for linux. You get the = same=20 > voice as jaws. It costs $6 from the oralux project. (Google it.) Voxin=20= > may not be as stable as espeak but I like the voice much more. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 05/09/13 02:27, Tony Baechler wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA256 >>=20 >> What changes did you have to make to your daily routine when you made = the >> switch? I already use Firefox and Thunderbird here, but I'm still >> primarily on XP. I use my Linux server daily, but I purposely = haven't put >> X on it. I have a small 10 GB installation of Debian unstable with X = and >> experimental, but Orca fails to work, or at least I don't have speech = when >> I try to start it. Speakup, of course, works great. I pretty much = had >> the same bad experiences with Orca as other people and I didn't try = to do >> anything fancy. In fact, Vinux crashed almost constantly in Orca but = not >> Speakup. I had to use a Speakup console to kill my Orca session and >> reboot. I read on the Debian accessibility list to enable = experimental to >> bring in the latest Orca improvements, but it didn't seem to help. = If >> anything, it made things worse as I had a constant stream of broken >> packages. Now that Wheezy is out, I'll try again one of these days >> soon-ish. I'm not worried about moving my profiles over from = Windows, but >> I'm more wondering about changes made from an accessibility point of = view. >> In other words, if someone with little to no Linux experience (not = me, >> but someone else) wanted to make the full-time switch to Orca, how = well >> could it be done and what adjustments would they have to make = compared to >> doing things the Windows way? >>=20 >> On 5/8/2013 10:57 AM, John G. Heim wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Huh, you're the second person in this thread to say that about orca. >>> But I just decided to switch to linux full time a few months ago and = it >>> was pretty much a breeze. I had been using that other operating = system >>> too but almost all the end users I support use linux (all good >>> mathematicians do). So I felt I was cheating by not using linux. = But I >>> have had little to no trouble switching to linux with orca. I use >>> thunderbird & firefox constantly. It's not quite as good as >>> Windows/jaws but honestly, I made the transition fairly easily. >>>=20 >>> I am really shocked to hear all these complaints about orca. Not to >>> doubt you. It's just that it doesn't jibe with my experience at = all. >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >>=20 >> iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRi0/LAAoJEPrAuJWnLe0y+yMP/RxUIuVbYrTv8cGcEo1aNMEj >> g2qstErfKEtEZKUapAryVr/QfVXdpVt10bPdynFqScKKKQfjMqTmP3CkoCVO02Ao >> BGhDnReuc4BI/DWuDnqJYayUusvjINnII47w4cjbfbLY+OEwmOajGlnvTLwIB6p5 >> +VVoCKdzIbTBrDk08lCSso24TToNfmVYUMBUDT8mBnRwGNjN182eDVPWy8PAvIUK >> QdkTOr1X1RMnn+6JsoHybRr3Owo55ILnL+XDQLEnUe1f5aGlrVXT9sdLPcCwa/uH >> Ff61apGsMOX20dZ2DiB4U8aiTuU0dV81eTywFt1UZmu8dGLsEGnhvHRCoNEl0JEN >> XwGH61/DdfpXnlBeusHG7quq2mTjPEy4dMpxaDoaVDVVVOf65TnVBcBBUupxZ44W >> ZEY/AgbJ5eOFwd8ZZouiVNIQt+BX7gRQ5wVjHwEXlx6d3kNVEsxKIVxhx24+gpXx >> Ro5Ci3fUoX/TCK3JjznxnkM7ZVPoom5B1s5ZEjEwfbVNBkOp7G6zOAeFO8N7EyRS >> V8upZXTkL+GWi2vT4bfyYz14yo1Vge22OoFXuPc5nftrjvKcKtzuw5QleYct3MYT >> UbMbZ0mmKSpVG58P7r6gQljOT0eWCq5z8wLXPzNmCcHAt8Tf9604upZClz7axGnT >> 0Kq+DEY+LDiEBVmqsdKs >> =3DGhdw >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Speakup mailing list >> Speakup@linux-speakup.org >> http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >>=20 >=20 > --=20 > --- > John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup