From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu (mta1.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.23]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D6D1EF6E2 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 21:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02E687E011 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 20:53:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mta1.math.wisc.edu Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (charlie.math.wisc.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T-RBCBlwbv+o for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 20:53:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2198E87E001 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 20:53:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on charlie.math.wisc.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=6.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.1 Received: from mailhost.math.wisc.edu (erdos.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.25]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 20:53:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nitschke.johnheim.com (mawi-dedicated-216-170-169-50.dedicated.tds.net [216.170.169.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EB72C5400FA for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 20:53:12 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: the direction of speakup From: "John G. Heim" In-Reply-To: <20130508191500.33A8422949@server1.shellworld.net> Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 20:53:12 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <29ADC038-CF07-48CF-A336-CFDE01E809AE@math.wisc.edu> References: <20130508191500.33A8422949@server1.shellworld.net> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 May 2013 01:53:14 -0000 The explanation for why I've had so little trouble may be that I am = pretty much a plain debian user. All my machines have either debian = stable or debiantesting. I haven't had much trouble. I haven't tried = vinux or ubuntu lately but I never got orca working well when I tried = them in the past. When I need a live CD, I use grml and speakup. But there is no way I'd switch to linux full time if I couldn't use = orca.=20 On May 8, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Martin G. McCormick wrote: > The problem is not orca other than we need it to use the > system if we are to use the gnome GUI. >=20 > The problem is sort of like those 35-lamp series strings > of Christmas lights. All the bulbs are in series which means > that every single last one has to have an intact filament or > none of the bulbs will light. You've got a dead string and there > is no way to tell what is wrong without checking every socket to > see where the circuit breaks. >=20 > On that system which, in theory, should scream through > orca, I have had a sighted person tell me that the desktop shows > up on the screen. Orca may be talking away in bursts of > electrons somewhere in the system, but the audio is dead. There > are no sounds of any kind. A sighted user might not even know > the sound is dead until he or she does something that should > produce a sound. >=20 > The actual problem in my case appears to be that live > CD's including the last Vinux distribution I tried appear to get > the sound part of the setup wrong as I have not heard so much as > a click from the sound chip on any ubuntu live CD since version > 9. >=20 > What we have is a dead parrot, in the words of "Monty > Python." >=20 > The sound card is not bad. If I install Debian squeeze > with speakup, it roars right along. Mplayer plays music and the > hardware is genning right along though pulseaudio is sick. >=20 > I do have a SB16 and the next step is to get my > wonderful and patient wife to help me through the bios setup to > either kill the on-board sound chip or make it secondary so the > SB16 can be the primary audio device and then try a new live CD > to see if we get sound this time. >=20 > I suspect that once all the hoops are jumped, orca will > work fine as the problem occurs before that stage. >=20 > "John G. Heim" writes: >> Huh, you're the second person in this thread to say that about orca. = But I >> just decided to switch to linux full time a few months ago and it was >> pretty much a breeze. I had been using that other operating system = too but >> almost all the end users I support use linux (all good mathematicians = do). >> So I felt I was cheating by not using linux. But I have had little to = no >> trouble switching to linux with orca. I use thunderbird & firefox >> constantly. It's not quite as good as Windows/jaws but honestly, I = made=20 >> the >> transition fairly easily. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I am really shocked to hear all these complaints about orca. Not to = doubt >> you. It's just that it doesn't jibe with my experience at all. > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20