From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id CC3C71EF838; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rockinghorse.reisers.us (71-208-102-245.hlrn.qwest.net [71.208.102.245]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5400E1EF833 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [66.228.34.147]) by rockinghorse.reisers.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2F0712E105 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 06:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.8/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s99Cq0Hr001808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 12:52:00 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.8/8.14.6/Submit) id s99Cq0kR001807 for speakup@linux-speakup.org; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:52:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: opera.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:52:00 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story Message-ID: <20141009125200.GI1044@opera.rednote.net> References: <86a956i23h.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86a956i23h.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 3.16.3-200.fc20.x86_64 X-PGP-Key: http://rednote.net/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 12:53:04 -0000 Deedra, How come they didn't blame their failure to back up their work? Is Speakup the only possible kernel patch that can crash? Or cause mayhem? No one else's tech could possibly do that? I'm tired of blaming accessibility first. Janina Deedra Waters writes: > i was working at oregon state's open source lab and network admin > thing for a year and a half. Here's one situation. i came across. Not > trying to antagonize anyone at all but here's what happened and this is > one reason why i dislike speakup in the kernel even though it's got a > lot of benifits.....Anyway...... > > I was working at the lab. Debian was having a problem with one of their > my machines. The machine had crashed so i went to the dmz to kick it and > try and help them figure out their problem. We were happily working on > the box an hour or so later when i hit a speakup bug. The kernel > panicked, and the box crashed. $debiandeveloper lost their changes to > some config files. The end result was the lab lost their access to the > debian machine. I had a similar problem on another client's box. end > result, they flipped had speakup pulled from their kernels and i wasn't > allowed to work on their boxes. > > This is an extreme case, but it's also an important point in my concern. > -- > Website: http://deedra.the-brannons.com > blog: http://deedra.the-brannons.com/blog > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/