From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 593481EF82A; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 01:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lothlorien.nfbcal.org (ns.NFBCAL.ORG [157.22.230.125]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 175B71EF828 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 01:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lothlorien.nfbcal.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lothlorien.nfbcal.org (8.14.1/8.14.1-NFBNETBSD) with ESMTP id s995Nq3X028246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.3 at lothlorien.nfbcal.org Received: (from buhrow@localhost) by lothlorien.nfbcal.org (8.14.1/8.12.11) id s995NpPi018317; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <201410090523.s995NpPi018317@lothlorien.nfbcal.org> From: Brian Buhrow Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:23:51 -0700 In-Reply-To: <86a956i23h.fsf@vibrator.pk5001z> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(4.pl1)+dynamic 20000103) To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (lothlorien.nfbcal.org [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 08 Oct 2014 22:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Cc: buhrow@nfbcal.org X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 05:23:56 -0000 hello. that's a powerful story and I certainly understand Oregon State's position about not wanting Speakup in the kernels of their production servers. I can't tell from your story, but I hope you were able to come to a compromise where they were willing to have you do sysadmin work on their servers, but you agreed to be willing to work on machines without Speakup in the kernel. As a Unix admin who is blind, I can tell you I've never worked with Linux kernels with Speakup on them in a production environment, and I wouldn't want to, however, I feel perfectly competent to build Linux machines and get them working reliably without having to have Speakup in the final production version of the system. Most servers are accessed through the network and Speakup on them directly affords, in my view, very little benefit but carries a lot of risk. However, as I said earlier, I hope for your sake, you were able to roll with their position and continue providing valuable service, as well as gaining valuable experience, despite the absence of Speakup. -thanks -Brian On Oct 8, 4:16pm, Deedra Waters wrote: } Subject: a little sysadmin story } IGkgd2FzIHdvcmtpbmcgYXQgb3JlZ29uIHN0YXRlJ3Mgb3BlbiBzb3VyY2UgbGFiIGFuZCBuZXR3 } b3JrIGFkbWluCnRoaW5nIGZvciBhIHllYXIgYW5kIGEgaGFsZi4gSGVyZSdzIG9uZSBzaXR1YXRp } b24uICBpIGNhbWUgYWNyb3NzLiBOb3QKdHJ5aW5nIHRvIGFudGFnb25pemUgYW55b25lIGF0IGFs } bCBidXQgaGVyZSdzIHdoYXQgaGFwcGVuZWQgYW5kIHRoaXMgaXMKb25lIHJlYXNvbiB3aHkgaSBk } aXNsaWtlIHNwZWFrdXAgaW4gdGhlIGtlcm5lbCBldmVuIHRob3VnaCBpdCdzIGdvdCBhCmxvdCBv } ZiBiZW5pZml0cy4uLi4uQW55d2F5Li4uLi4uCgpJIHdhcyB3b3JraW5nIGF0IHRoZSBsYWIuIERl } YmlhbiB3YXMgaGF2aW5nIGEgcHJvYmxlbSB3aXRoIG9uZSBvZiB0aGVpcgpteSBtYWNoaW5lcy4g } VGhlIG1hY2hpbmUgaGFkIGNyYXNoZWQgc28gaSB3ZW50IHRvIHRoZSBkbXogdG8ga2ljayBpdCBh } bmQKdHJ5IGFuZCBoZWxwIHRoZW0gZmlndXJlIG91dCB0aGVpciBwcm9ibGVtLiBXZSB3ZXJlIGhh } cHBpbHkgd29ya2luZyBvbgp0aGUgYm94IGFuIGhvdXIgb3Igc28gbGF0ZXIgd2hlbiBpIGhpdCBh } IHNwZWFrdXAgYnVnLiBUaGUga2VybmVsCnBhbmlja2VkLCBhbmQgdGhlIGJveCBjcmFzaGVkLiAk } ZGViaWFuZGV2ZWxvcGVyIGxvc3QgdGhlaXIgY2hhbmdlcyB0bwpzb21lIGNvbmZpZyBmaWxlcy4g } VGhlIGVuZCByZXN1bHQgd2FzIHRoZSBsYWIgbG9zdCB0aGVpciBhY2Nlc3MgdG8gdGhlCmRlYmlh } biBtYWNoaW5lLiBJIGhhZCBhIHNpbWlsYXIgcHJvYmxlbSBvbiBhbm90aGVyIGNsaWVudCdzIGJv } eC4gZW5kCnJlc3VsdCwgdGhleSBmbGlwcGVkIGhhZCBzcGVha3VwIHB1bGxlZCBmcm9tIHRoZWly } IGtlcm5lbHMgYW5kIGkgd2Fzbid0CmFsbG93ZWQgdG8gd29yayBvbiB0aGVpciBib3hlcy4KClRo } aXMgaXMgYW4gZXh0cmVtZSBjYXNlLCBidXQgaXQncyBhbHNvIGFuIGltcG9ydGFudCBwb2ludCBp } biBteSBjb25jZXJuLgotLSAKV2Vic2l0ZTogaHR0cDovL2RlZWRyYS50aGUtYnJhbm5vbnMuY29t } CmJsb2c6IGh0dHA6Ly9kZWVkcmEudGhlLWJyYW5ub25zLmNvbS9ibG9nCgpfX19fX19fX19fX19f } X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwpTcGVha3VwIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdApT } cGVha3VwQGxpbnV4LXNwZWFrdXAub3JnCmh0dHA6Ly9saW51eC1zcGVha3VwLm9yZy9jZ2ktYmlu } L21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vc3BlYWt1cAo= >-- End of excerpt from Deedra Waters