From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0502A1EF7B8; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:01:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from vserver.gregn.net (vserver.gregn.net [IPv6:2607:f2f8:a260::2]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 801701EF7AD for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 19:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from vbox.gregn.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:f156:201:5dae:d599:53b9:71bc]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vserver.gregn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2DC0427 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 16:00:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=gregn.net; s=default; t=1386028852; bh=UxViSVBYNS/JXXPS9uS2VvLeg+7vAXEzakZj3pz7Nl8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=nNk8viYF7L/btveo358O3/B1yj6aPlF5ylFGY4bFlftyt/jDgefxOQO8xBWbGi/ac rY2rb46DvTv/11OPD7RqpInBr4ZUzk2mDbfNDF8cd8N1kucOQEANCFaltZn7bKzd4+ fhZoNqvxbLrNI151aLoBurA+V2MguTS8Pu4lqITw= Received: from greg by vbox.gregn.net with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VndQ4-0005xT-Pq for speakup@linux-speakup.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:00:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:00:52 -0700 From: Gregory Nowak To: speakup@linux-speakup.org Subject: Re: speakup, audio solutions Message-ID: <20131203000052.GA15537@gregn.net> References: <20131127180838.GA17359@redstar> <20131201005215.GD7707@concerto.rednote.net> <20131201021959.GA10598@Enterprise> <20131201043844.GH7707@concerto.rednote.net> <529CAAD2.2030408@math.wisc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <529CAAD2.2030408@math.wisc.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at vserver X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 00:01:28 -0000 On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 09:44:18AM -0600, John G. Heim wrote: > I'm no expert in this area but don't you guys worry that you are > trying to hold back the ocean with a teaspoon? You can't fight the > march of technology. If pulse is the wave of the future, I would > tend to want to get started working with it rather than tossing it > aside. I have to second what Janina said here. Your conclusion would be valid if we were talking about m$ windows. In that world, if you want to keep using windows, you have to go with the wave of the future. However, we're talking about GNU/Linux here, where the end user is supposed to be in control. If I don't want pulse on my system, then I shouldn't be made to use it, just because I want to use gnome for example. That's the windows way, not the linux way as far as I figure anyway. > I can understand an attitude of saying that you need to postpone an > upgrade because the technology just isn't there yet. That's why I'm > typing this message on a machine still running debian squeeze. But > as soon as I am sure I can switch to a newer distro that works, I'm > doing it. I have six machines (majority virtual) running wheezy here since end of August. I honestly can't say that something doesn't work in wheezy. Some things are different than they were in squeeze, but they still work once you get used to the changes (E.G. gnome3). Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn..net gpg public key: http://www.gregn..net/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org