From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B460B1EF7B8; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from opera.rednote.net (unknown [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe70:e783]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 351DA1EF7B3 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from concerto.rednote.net ([IPv6:2601:a:3780:1f:be5f:f4ff:fe45:6a6e]) (authenticated bits=0) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rB2HboPb019589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Dec 2013 17:37:51 GMT Received: from concerto.rednote.net (concerto.rednote.net [127.0.0.1]) by concerto.rednote.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id rB2HbolZ003839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:37:50 -0500 Received: (from janina@localhost) by concerto.rednote.net (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id rB2Hbnlw003838; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:37:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: concerto.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 12:37:49 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: "John G. Heim" Subject: speakup, audio solutions Message-ID: <20131202173749.GN7701@concerto.rednote.net> References: <20131127180838.GA17359@redstar> <20131201005215.GD7707@concerto.rednote.net> <20131201021959.GA10598@Enterprise> <20131201043844.GH7707@concerto.rednote.net> <529CAAD2.2030408@math.wisc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <529CAAD2.2030408@math.wisc.edu> X-Operating-System: Linux concerto.rednote.net 3.11.6-201.fc19.x86_64 X-PGP-Key: http://rednote.net/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.16 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:38:53 -0000 Pulse may be some people's idea of the wave of the future, but Speakup users aren't the only ones who find pulse very problematic. Also in this category are: * People who do professional level work with audio composition. * These folks use jack, not pulseaudio. Jack was rejected for use * as a mainstream approach because it wasn't sufficiently * lightweight. I'll leave for others to judge whether pulse is * actually lightweight I've had conversations with Planet CCRMA people, for instance, so that I can categorically report that pulse is removed from all their computers at Stanford University. It only gets in the way. http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ * People running games, where latency really matters. Of course, * latency also matters to us. This second point may be an architectural failure on the part of pulse. Well, what can I say? They never asked our requirements before they designed and implemented pulse, so how can it be assumed that our requirements are met? It's the old: "Nothing about us without us" that got violated again. Janina John G. Heim writes: > I'm no expert in this area but don't you guys worry that you are > trying to hold back the ocean with a teaspoon? You can't fight the > march of technology. If pulse is the wave of the future, I would > tend to want to get started working with it rather than tossing it > aside. > > I just started working with sonar linux last week. I put it on my > backup desktop at work. In my limited testing up to this point, it > seems to be rock solid. I plan to continue trying it on my backup > workstation at work and on my machine at home for a few more days > before converting the machine I use to earn my bread and beer. > > I can understand an attitude of saying that you need to postpone an > upgrade because the technology just isn't there yet. That's why I'm > typing this message on a machine still running debian squeeze. But > as soon as I am sure I can switch to a newer distro that works, I'm > doing it. > > On 11/30/13 22:38, Janina Sajka wrote: > >Yes, screen rocks! > > > >I do keep the gui, mainly for firefox even though it requires that I use > >a second audio device. > > > >Everything else is tty's and screen terminals. About half of my tty's > >launch subject specific screen sessions with multiple terminals. In all > >of those, I have aliases for mplayer to talk to several additional audio > >devices, or ecaplay, or aplay. All works like a charm. > > > >Janina > > > >Doug Smith writes: > >> > >> > >>I really have quit a bit to say here. I have also terminated pulse with extreme prejudice on this system. I have also terminated the entire > >>graphical user interface with the same finality. I am using debian testing without the desktop on it. > >> > >>The way it works is that, when you use the text-based installer to install the system, it uses alsa for the sound. I have speakup system wide and I > >>have a fully functioning sound system on here that performs perfectly. I can use multiple audio sources, and I have nothing to worry about because I > >>do not have to, if I do not want to, switch between consoles. Where it works well, I just use screen and there is no problem for me to play my > >>descriptive movie, program and whatever else all at once. > >> > >> > >> > >>Hope this helps. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Doug Smith: Special Agent > >>S.W.A.T Spiritual Warfare and Advanced Technology > >>Forever serving our LORD and SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Speakup mailing list > >>Speakup@linux-speakup.org > >>http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > --- > John G. Heim, 608-263-4189, jheim@math.wisc.edu -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/