From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 98F8E1EF6B4; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe70:e783]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A34221EF6AF for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from concerto.rednote.net ([IPv6:2601:a:3780:1f:be5f:f4ff:fe45:6a6e]) (authenticated bits=0) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r6VIFhcF000385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:15:44 GMT Received: from concerto.rednote.net (concerto.rednote.net [127.0.0.1]) by concerto.rednote.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r6VIFhMF013554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:15:43 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by concerto.rednote.net (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id r6VIFhkw013553 for speakup@linux-speakup.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:15:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: concerto.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 14:15:43 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: speakup@linux-speakup.org Subject: Re: vibe, a line-editor with vi-compatible keystrokes Message-ID: <20130731181543.GD26339@concerto.rednote.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux concerto.rednote.net 3.9.9-302.fc19.x86_64 X-PGP-Key: http://rednote.net/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.2 X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:15:46 -0000 Yes, it's ncurses and takes the entire screen. However, I don't experience the same consequence you express as a result. I'm not hearing voluminous garbage and I'm definitely using Speakup as my screen reader and only interface. Can you say more about the voluminous garbage? And perhaps about what you're looking for when you say "what's been happening?" I'm all for improved tools, and I'm all for people having options. I'm just puzzled, because I'm fairly picky about my interfaces. Janina pj@pjb.com.au writes: > Devon Stewart wrote: > > Does vim have a line-editor mode? > > It depends what you mean; there is, like I say, > vim -c 'set lines=2' > but it's still a curses app, so it still speaks voluminous garbage > and takes over the whole screen so you can't use a screen-reader > to see what's been happening. Might as well use vim. > I don't think vim has any non-curses modes. > These days ex is usually a symlink to vim -e which is still > a curses app; anyway, then you should be using edbrowse. > > Janina Sajka wrote: > > Hmmm, but one can do this all in vim already. > > Oh yes, vibe is only ever going to be a small subset of vim. > But vim speaks lots of garbage, and takes over the whole screen etc. > > I'm still fixing lots of vibe bugs within one version number, > I'll become more disciplined later... > http://www.pjb.com.au/blin/free/vibe > > Peter > > http://www.pjb.com.au pj@pjb.com.au (03) 6278 9410 > "Follow the charge, not the particle." -- Richard Feynman > from The Theory of Positrons, Physical Review, 1949 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/