From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [IPv6:2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe70:e783]) by befuddled.reisers.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F49D1EF73C for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from concerto.rednote.net ([IPv6:2601:a:3780:1f:be5f:f4ff:fe45:6a6e]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.7/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r4AIeh3k025182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 18:40:43 GMT Received: from concerto.rednote.net (concerto.rednote.net [127.0.0.1]) by concerto.rednote.net (8.14.7/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r4AIegX6027898 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:40:43 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by concerto.rednote.net (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id r4AIegOf027897 for speakup@linux-speakup.org; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:40:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: concerto.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 14:40:42 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: the direction of speakup Message-ID: <20130510184042.GG3601@concerto.rednote.net> References: <20130510064319.GA14798@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <518CE87D.4000507@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <518CE87D.4000507@gmail.com> X-Operating-System: Linux concerto.rednote.net 3.8.11-200.fc18.x86_64 X-PGP-Key: http://rednote.net/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: speakup@linux-speakup.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 18:40:47 -0000 Years ago I used yasr quite regularly. I used it when I was traveling and needed my computer in situations where it just wasn't possibly to wire up a serial synth. Obviously, this was before Speakup supported software speech. It worked well enough. But, I can tell you that I was alway very, very happy to get back to a more situation where I could wire in my synth and fire up Speakup. PS: The guy who wrote yasr while he was still in school is now the maintainer of AT-SPI/ATK, the APIs that help drive Orca for us. Janina Kyle writes: > According to Jason White: > # It runs its own shell and captures input/output, somewhat like screen(1). > > This actually makes YASR the most portable text console screen reader I > am aware of, since it can run on just about any Unix-like operating > system. It runs entirely in userspace and depends on shell output rather > than relying on any kernel level code or output. It also has the benefit > of being able to work with a wide range of hardware synthesizers via > Emacspeak servers and possibly other local drivers as well, and also has > software speech available through various interfaces, including EFlite > and speech-dispatcher. The trade-off is that you will get no speech > prior to login, although with the correct login script, you can have > YASR come up automatically once you've logged into the console you want > to use. There once was a separate program included in the YASR source > tree that could read the console prior to login, but I don't currently > know if it still works. I remember getting it to work at one point, but > that was some time ago. I did most things with a single text console > that ran YASR automatically at login and did all my work in Screen, > which allowed me to have a nearly unlimited number of "windows" open on > a single console, all under a single YASR instance. > > Just a quick note: because of the way YASR works in a subshell, it > should be capable of working in a desktop terminal application like > Xterm, giving you familiar functionality when you have that text-based > application that Orca doesn't like in gnome-terminal. Keybindings > shouldn't be a problem either, even if you use gnome-terminal and > silence Orca, since as far as I know, there aren't any conflicts between > Orca and YASR keyboard commands. > ~Kyle > http://kyle.tk/ > -- > "Kyle? ... She calls her cake, Kyle?" > Out of This World, season 2 episode 21 - "The Amazing Evie" > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@linux-speakup.org > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/