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From: Rynhardt Kruger <rynkruger@gmail.com>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: If bash can, why not Speakup?
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:50:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101118205049.GA9342@blind-archer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101118202718.GD2358@sonata.rednote.net>

I may be wrong, but I think that the vim editing style of bash isn't really the vim editor, but just a vim-like mode 
provided by readline. For instance, pressing the colon (:) while in bash vim-style command-mode, doesn't allow you to 
enter a vim command, but just beeps at you. So I think it's probably just a boolean value in the readline library itself 
which indicates to the shell whether you are in insert or command mode.

Take care,

Rynhardt

* Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> [101118 22:31]:
> I think my main point got lost in the litany of vim complaints that have
> actually been with us for a long time. I was trying to say something new
> that no one has commented on. So, let me try to redirect, if I may ...
> 
> William Hubbs writes:
> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:23:29AM +1000, pj@pjb.com.au wrote:
> > > Janina Sajka wrote:
> > > > My biggest complaint is that I need to be ultra-careful to
> > > > track whether I'm in insert or command mode, i.e. it would
> > > > sure help if Speakup could give me a differently pitched voice
> > > 
> > > Good point :-)  It might need some help from the vim folk...
> > 
> > Yes, something like this would take modifications to vim to make it
> > communicate to speakup some how, and I'm not sure what that would
> > involve since I haven't looked at the vim code at all.
> > 
> Actually, I don't think we need anything from vim.
> 
> 
> Note that you can have either vim or emacs editing of bash commands.
> Emacs is the default, but you can reset this by issuing:
> 
> set -o vim
> 
> By, default, this provides bash shell command editing in insert mode. As
> in vim, pressing Esc takes you into command mode where all the vim
> command mode functionality is provided.
> 
> So, the shell knows. That's got to be a value that's written somewhere,
> and thus something Speakup could read and respond to. I don't know
> where, but am I wrong?
> 
> Janina
> 
> > William
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Speakup mailing list
> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup
> 
> -- 
> 
> Janina Sajka,	Phone:	+1.443.300.2200
> 		sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> 
> Chair, Open Accessibility	janina@a11y.org	
> Linux Foundation		http://a11y.org
> 
> Chair, Protocols & Formats
> Web Accessibility Initiative	http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Speakup mailing list
> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup

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Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
 pj
 ` William Hubbs
   ` Albert Sten-Clanton
     ` Steve Holmes
       ` Gregory Nowak
         ` Steve Holmes
           ` Gregory Nowak
       ` Janina Sajka
     ` Speech on vim backspace [Was: If bash can, why not Speakup?] Janina Sajka
       ` Albert Sten-Clanton
   ` If bash can, why not Speakup? Janina Sajka
     ` Rynhardt Kruger [this message]
     ` William Hubbs
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
 pj
 ` William Hubbs
 ` Janina Sajka
 Brian Buhrow
 pj
 pj
 Janina Sajka

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