From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com (mail-gx0-f170.google.com [209.85.161.170]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17F3C1A2DF for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22so897700gxk.29 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.79.18 with SMTP id g18mr37674ybl.209.1290043102219; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com (ip72-208-185-148.ph.ph.cox.net [72.208.185.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v9sm1150861ybe.21.2010.11.17.17.18.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:18:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:18:17 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: If bash can, why not Speakup? Message-ID: <20101118011817.GB2891@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca References: <98haom$7bpkcl@ipmail06.adl6.internode.on.net> <20101117233043.GA26689@linux1> <66C69DD6A5F94BFCB6951A9C97A97D34@ownercb76d9f6c> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <66C69DD6A5F94BFCB6951A9C97A97D34@ownercb76d9f6c> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 01:18:22 -0000 I realize the more this gets talked about, the more diluted it probably becomes. When I insert text with Vim or when I insert text in a command line in Bash, speakup speaks everything following in that line. I'm sure this is because screen contents are being changed ans speakup reflects this. However, The old vi editor (probably elvis or something) doesn't seem to exhibit this behavior but vim does. I usually have cursoring on when I do this. I don't remember if this changes when it is turned off. Another thing that would help speakup behave better with curses type applications would be to add support for user defined windows where parts of the screen could be spoken or blocked. This would be like what is available in Vocal-Eyes and Window-Eyes for that matter. This is obviously a big project and I think it would be fun to add but not sure how well that would work in a kernel based program. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 07:48:38PM -0500, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote: > In addition to the suggestion below, I'd very much like to hear the > characters I'm backspacing over. I asked about this a few years ago, but I > gathered that this wasn't easy to do. Any thoughts? > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] > On Behalf Of William Hubbs > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:31 PM > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca > Subject: Re: If bash can, why not Speakup? > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 09:23:29AM +1000, pj@pjb.com.au wrote: > > Janina Sajka wrote: > > > I've been happily using vim for years. > > > > How do you cope with the endlessly-updating bottom line?, like: > > "497L, 15593C 450,2 93%" > > > > I find speakup is in general difficult with curses applications > > because of their screen-update optimisation. The characters don't > > necessarily come out in a text-related order. > > You can disable that line by putting the following line in your > ~/.vimrc: > > set noruler > > > > My biggest complaint is that I need to be ultra-careful to track > > > whether I'm in insert or command mode, i.e. it would sure help if > > > Speakup could give me a differently pitched voice > > > > Good point :-) It might need some help from the vim folk... > > Yes, something like this would take modifications to vim to make it > communicate to speakup some how, and I'm not sure what that would involve > since I haven't looked at the vim code at all. > > William > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup