From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yx0-f193.google.com (mail-yx0-f193.google.com [209.85.210.193]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5042610362 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 01:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by yxe31 with SMTP id 31so3028732yxe.21 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.185.26 with SMTP id m26mr1356265anp.129.1264055830648; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (74-60-157-29.mrc.clearwire-dns.net [74.60.157.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm308278ywd.12.2010.01.20.22.37.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:37:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:37:06 -0800 From: Gaijin To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: X access was Re: Debian upgrade Message-ID: <20100121063706.GA11236@gnuked.clearwire.net> References: <20100117211738.GA9851@gnuked.clearwire.net> <4b549572.1f205e0a.4ff6.7bf4@mx.google.com> <20100118175516.GA12671@gnuked.clearwire.net> <4b54b813.0baa660a.305e.ffffae31@mx.google.com> <20100119113845.GB5736@gnuked.clearwire.net> <4b55a17e.5744f10a.28ba.ffffdd96@mx.google.com> <20100120191107.GB8069@gnuked.clearwire.net> <20100120222655.GE4714@const.famille.thibault.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100120222655.GE4714@const.famille.thibault.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:37:11 -0000 On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:26:55PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Err, that's precisely because you want all kinds of effects and such > that keeping the text in the protocol was being more and more a problem. > You don't have the freedom to do whatever you want to your text > rendering when you're bound to a protocol. Tough. If it's my computer, I should be able to have it look and work the way I want it to. Gnome has some of the ugliest software in the world. All programmers would have to do is label the type of text being delivered. Menu, display, combo box, etc, and the display manager could handle the rest. Themes would have lots more options, and software would appear in similar fashion if menus were all done in one font and color combination, lists in another. Otherwise you have something like Windows with one or two Visual Basic programs running on it and looking like you're running a disorganized collection of junk, with gigantic green check and red X buttons here, and more "Windows-like" buttons there. Whatever. Without standards, all you have is chaos, and force the non-sighted to come along after everyone else and try to clean up the kludge that is another programmer's "Wonderful Idea." We wouldn't even be talking if it weren't for the ASCII and email standards, and until we have a standard for everyone to follow, we'll continue to be relegated to society's background. At least with Linux, we can create a standard to follow. If we count on Mickeysoft, it will never get done to our satisfaction, and we'll continue to remain in the "aftermarket" minority. Michael