From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f212.google.com (mail-fx0-f212.google.com [209.85.220.212]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9BA10358 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by fxm4 with SMTP id 4so8429406fxm.32 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.22.6 with SMTP id 6mr642191fgv.69.1264014666722; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (74-60-157-29.mrc.clearwire-dns.net [74.60.157.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm791599fgb.25.2010.01.20.11.11.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:11:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:11:07 -0800 From: Gaijin To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: X access was Re: Debian upgrade Message-ID: <20100120191107.GB8069@gnuked.clearwire.net> References: <20100117211738.GA9851@gnuked.clearwire.net> <4b549572.1f205e0a.4ff6.7bf4@mx.google.com> <20100118175516.GA12671@gnuked.clearwire.net> <4b54b813.0baa660a.305e.ffffae31@mx.google.com> <20100119113845.GB5736@gnuked.clearwire.net> <4b55a17e.5744f10a.28ba.ffffdd96@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4b55a17e.5744f10a.28ba.ffffdd96@mx.google.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:11:12 -0000 On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 06:10:22AM -0600, Chris Brannon wrote: > The X-window system only offers low-level abstractions. It concerns > itself with the rendering of bitmapped images on graphical devices. So, you're saying that the information X.org is receiving from, say, X-Chat is all graphical information? Weird. Whoever came up with that idea for how to do things must be a brain-dead moron, because working with themes must be beyond hope where beauty is concerned. I used to love working with semi-transparent backgrounds, and making it appear as if programs were being displayed on smoked glass, being able to see other programs underneath the currently active program. I thought it was visually stunnning, myself. For the blind, I guess it would be like having multiple voices coming from a set of quadraphonic speakers, having a Susan voice over the left shoulder, and a Brian voice over the right, and George in front., all talking at once. Anyway, the lack of standards was why I stopped caring about Orca. They're just going to be spending their entire careers, sweeping up after everyone else, every time there's an upgrade. Telling everyone in the GUI Linux world they have to re-do everything from scrach to support accessibility probably isn't on the menu. Michael