From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (fed1rmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.241.41]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E3D10A53 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20081011100927.KEYS23774.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:09:27 -0400 Received: from lnx2.holmesgrown.com ([72.208.219.132]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id RN9S1a0062rzSAG04N9ST6; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:09:26 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3EAWN9ttAAAA:8 a=yzO7WhFgo6Ivk2dSNwoA:9 a=Hc3EpJglJgPAtgcHCkY9PMyDmBYA:4 a=I8BBRppv4o4A:10 a=rPt6xJ-oxjAA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Received: from pillow.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.107] ident=8) by lnx2.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KobPZ-0004y6-Iu for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:09:25 -0700 Received: from steve by pillow.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KobPC-0005eT-W6 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:09:03 -0700 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:09:02 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: New Debian Install - HELP! Message-ID: <20081011100902.GA21715@pillow.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca References: <20081011084227.GA21623@pillow.holmesgrown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:08:42 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Well for now, I have lilo installed but for some reason, it doesn't work right either. In the mean time, I booted with my slackware cd, got into a shell and am trying to run lilo with a chroot to update the lilo.conf file. But now I get a faital error about raid_setup. god knows what's going on here. What does raid_setup got to do with lilo? I haven't knowingly installed any raid. The difference here is I'm trying to set up a boot sector on /dev/hda (MBR), Windows runs on /dev/hda1 and I have Debian installed on /dev/hdb (1 and 2). System files and all are in /dev/hdb1. Bottom line: I can't seem to get a decent boot sector built on the MBR of /dev/hda so I can't boot into either system on that machine now. If I want to update things in Debian, is there an easier way other than starting over every time? When I use the boot disk from Deb, I always end up in the setup script and am forced to redo all the partitions. there's got to be any easier way to do this. Am I missing something here? On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 04:50:56PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote: > Basically the reason grub won't do what you want right now is because you > are not used to it. > Lilo hard codes the boot locations of the kernel and initial ram disk into a > block list which breaks every time you rebuild an initrd or recompile or > move the kernel. > Grub can read file systems, and you can fix it when the boot loader > scrambles unlike lilo which just goes > lililililililililili > > > You can put lilo on and move to grub once you know how to make it go beep, > how to make it spit its output through a serial port etc if you so choose. > > you probably wanted the options > speakup_synth=xxxxx debconf/priority=low > so it would ask you which boot loader to install; alternatively set the > priority to low on the main menu. > Regards, Kerry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Holmes" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: New Debian Install - HELP! > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Yeah, I got past that now. I did it by pressing down arrow once > followed by tab and then typed speakup.synth=spkout. That part > worked. I am having a hang-up right now as grub is the default loader > and after the install finished, I was forced to reboot. First of all, > I don't know how to interract with grub and over-ride kernel > parameters; but worse yet, my machine at the moment won't boot into > anything!!!. I have an existing windows partition on the first disk > and am I'm installing linux on the second disk. Apparently, grub did > not configure this properly. It's like windows is trying to boot > strait away and grub never comes up at all. I'm now sitting here > waiting to errase the entire linux partition so I can start over with > Debian and maybe I can get the thing to skip grub and install lilo > instead. I know lilo from my Slackware days and I know it is capable > of booting on one drive and dual booting for both windows and linux. > Plus I can make lilo talk at the beginning. Grub looks to o > convoluted to me as a first impression. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFI8Hs9WSjv55S0LfERAx+4AJ4+DkQXGKNfU11HVh+Jk/zmy/BPvwCgk7Ob bYxxEqZ0HUjjd6fve/IWQcM= =ZCwQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----