From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from opera.rednote.net ([70.84.142.212]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1FpCov-0001rA-00 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:24:45 -0400 Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k5ANOi6Z017594 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:24:44 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k5ANOiGp017593 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:24:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:24:44 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Subject: Re: getting orca included in gnome 2.16 Message-ID: <20060610232444.GN2259@rednote.net> References: <447F2C89.8090507@sun.com> <20060610162154.GG2259@rednote.net> <20060610191139.GA12027@debian> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060610191139.GA12027@debian> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 2.6.16-1.2122_FC5spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:24:45 -0000 OK. My misunderstanding, so my apologies. I not sure I agree with only one of each category as a policy, but that certainly isn't a discriminatory policy, so it's a very different matter. Holding back yelp over a11y is certainly a good indicator, as well. But, we can't extrapolate from that that the entire desktop is vetted for a11y. Certainly not epiphany or abi-word, right? That rather makes me wonder what the basis of this "only one of a kind" policy is. However, it's clear my sense of injustice was unwarranted. Janina Justin Ekis writes: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 12:21:54PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Are they also prepared to have only one web browser? ONly one media > > player? ONly one word processor? Only one email client application? > If I understand correctly, they are talking about inclusion in the > official gnome.org desktop release. and that is exactly the situation. > epiphany is the web browser, totem is the media player, gedit is the > word processor and evolution is the email application. > Look at ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.14/2.14.2/sources > > > The day may come when there is but one screen reader on the GUI desktop, > > but I rather doubt it given that both Gnome and KDE are likely to remain > > with us. However, to proactively restrict inclusion while all manner of > > other (sometimes only half-baked) applications are included rankles. > They said the GNOME desktop. The GNOME desktop release seems to have > exactly one of everything and I doubt any of it is half baked. If it's > not in that directory it's not included in the official desktop. > > > Frankly, it's an insult. This kind of grudging support for accessibility needs to be stopped > > right now. In fact, it's a stretch to even call it "support." > >From my reading of the mailing lists, the new version of yelp was > held out of at least one and I think two desktop releases because it > had accessibility regressions. That sounds like support to me. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.240.715.1272 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org