From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from concerto.rednote.net ([66.92.170.139]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DIq75-0007OV-00 for ; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 11:37:11 -0400 Received: from concerto.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by concerto.rednote.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j35Fb9HT021559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:37:09 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by concerto.rednote.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j35Fb9lV021558 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:37:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 11:37:09 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Message-ID: <20050405153709.GL11527@rednote.net> Mail-Followup-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <000301c539b8$9fd26a60$220110ac@jim> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000301c539b8$9fd26a60$220110ac@jim> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: Linux concerto.rednote.net 2.6.10-1.770_FC3spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html Subject: Re: Having accessibility built in to a program! X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:37:11 -0000 jim grimsby writes: > Hi, I changed the subject of the last thread because we have now > straighed from the topic of web browsing. > Ok it is true that making things accessible is a narrow line and should > be done by experts for the most part. I do not think I would want a > programmer who has never worked with or met a blind person making my > screen reading software. On the other hand a programmer who does try to > insure that a program is accessible from the get go is going to be a > friend of mine. In some cases such has web browsing having built in > accessible features is a good thing. Amen to that. You're right on the nose so far. But, here's where you go wrong ... > Lets take internet explorer on > windows. No thanks. I mean this seriously. I don't mean to be trite or to blow you off in saying this. The point is that the OSM, workaround architecture of Windows is irrelevant. That's not how things work on Linux. You need to recognize that much of the world you think you know is actually a cultural bias you learned as a result of the assumptions and procedures employed in that particular environment. Linux is not that environment, and Windows rules and assumptions do not operate here.