From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from concerto.rednote.net ([66.92.170.139]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DIWSZ-0002UQ-00 for ; Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:38:03 -0400 Received: from concerto.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by concerto.rednote.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j34IbwCE013222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:37:58 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by concerto.rednote.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j34Ibwd8013221 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:37:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 14:37:58 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Message-ID: <20050404183758.GA11527@rednote.net> Mail-Followup-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <200503102131.j2ALVnLv004792@ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com> <87hdimd4u4.fsf@starlight.net> <20050404141003.GX11527@rednote.net> <20050404144032.GA1904@blackbox> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050404144032.GA1904@blackbox> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: Linux concerto.rednote.net 2.6.10-1.770_FC3spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html Subject: Re: getting off my windows dependency X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 18:38:04 -0000 OK. This makes some sense, but I suspect we agree it can be a nuisance for adapted browsing. After reading your description--and thinking about your strategy for handling "tab browsing," I think I still prefer the way this works on the cat, meaning the cat's backspace key feature. Kenny Hitt writes: > Hi. > > Tab browsing is a feature found in Mozilla as well as elinks. The idea > is you have several pages open in a single browser session and you > switch between them by switching tabs. Consider a javascript that pops > up a new window. If it does it in a new tab, you can get back to the > actual site easily in the text console. > BTW, Mozilla actually opens a new Window instead of a tab which > can make browsing some sites a real pain. Since the new > windows are not accessible most of the time you are forced to alt-tab > until you find the origional window displayint the site. > Due to Mozilla's limited accessibility, I've found it a bad idea to > close these windows. It gets frustrating when you end up closing what > you think is the add only to find you closed the window displaying the > actual site. With tabs, the "windows" are kept in the browser instead > of becoming another task on your window list. > > Hope this helps. > Kenny > > > > On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:10:03AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Why would browsing by line, word, or char be a browser feature? It seems > > to me such functionality is the responsibility of the assistive > > technology, not the browser. > > > > Also, when you say "tab browsing," what does that mean? Is there some > > unique definition of tab browsing in elinks? > > > > > > Sergei V. Fleytin writes: > > > Hello, listers, > > > > > > >>>>> "m" == mikster4 writes: > > > > > > m> I was maening more that it is not how the web browser works itself, > > > m> it is something inserted by the screen reader. Normally you can't > > > m> cursor around the page in a web browser, only jump between the > > > m> controls. Maybe it is my mistake, but I thought the person was > > > m> expecting this behaviour to be in the web browser. > > > > > > I'd like to make some comment concerning this topic. Both links2 and > > > elinks allow users to navigate within a page like in an editor. Links2 > > > provide what they call "braille terminal" wich, in my opinion is a > > > very cool and convenient feature. Elinks also can be customize to > > > behave in similar fashion though it would not be as blind friendly as > > > braille terminal in links2. But elinks has so many cool features, > > > including tab browsing, that it really worth our attention. Below is a > > > fragment from my elinks.conf wich allow to move by characters and > > > lines within elinks using vi-like keybindings. > > > > > > > > > bind "main" "k" = "move-cursor-up" > > > bind "main" "l" = "move-cursor-right" > > > bind "main" "h" = "move-cursor-left" > > > bind "main" "j" = "move-cursor-down" > > > > > > set ui.show_status_bar = 0 > > > > > > I hope it would be useful for someone. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > With best regards, Sergei. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 > > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com > > > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) > > janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org > > > > If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org If Linux can't solve your computing problem, you need a different problem.