From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from fed1mtao05.cox.net ([68.6.19.126]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AaHps-0000g4-00 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:02:44 -0500 Received: from lnx1.holmesgrown.com ([68.99.198.226]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031227170212.KWNW9968.fed1mtao05.cox.net@lnx1.holmesgrown.com> for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:02:12 -0500 Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.5] ident=mail) by lnx1.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AaHpL-0003Fo-2Y for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:02:11 -0700 Received: from steve by lnx3.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.20) id 1AaHpN-000091-94 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:02:13 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:02:13 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Message-ID: <20031227170209.GA531@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca References: <20031225160459.GE18873@rednote.net> <20031227071944.GA213@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> <20031227135508.GC8287@rednote.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031227135508.GC8287@rednote.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: "Steve Holmes,,," Subject: Re: 2004: My Next Wireless Phone X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:02:45 -0000 Yea, it ain't available yet. I asked Verizon about it a week or so ago and the latest model they had ever heard of was the 8900 & 8600; I saw an 8600 and I found the buttons alone to be deplorable! let alone not being accessible. I go to tthe audiovox website just yesterday and the model doesn't exist on their search engine. I just hate non disclosure agreements - they are anti competetive. I mean you signed an aggreement not to reveal any more about it but yet the damn thing isn't even out there. You couldn't even find it with your sources and/or connections. It's just a shame people, that is, companies, not you, have to be so secretive about their upcoming innovations when they should be the norm for all products. I don't know if you saw any prototypes or what but I hope they were good. Some of us get to be a bit synical about things like this. How many times over the years have I heard about some upcoming trick or gadget for accessibility and have it never come to pass? I lost count so until I can see the real thing or at least some documentation from the provider it is really being worked on and some reasonable expected dates, I tend to call it vaporware. It may really be impatience on my part but I'm not sure what else to feel or do. On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 08:55:09AM -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > I could tell you things, but I can't because of a piece of paper we > signed this past year. > > What I can tell you is that we looked hard for this unit around > Washington, DC and on the net the other week and didn't find it. I > expect we'll look again in early January. > > So, can you read between the lines? -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://ld.net/?holmesgrown