From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pc-24-151-10-129.newt1.ct.charter.com ([24.151.10.129] helo=h14me.homelinux.net) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19ctgq-00012o-00 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:19:56 -0400 Received: from h14me.homelinux.net (IDENT:1001@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h14me.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6GLJpVX006568 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:19:51 -0400 Received: (from alex_snow@localhost) by h14me.homelinux.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h6GLJp1P006567 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:19:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:19:51 -0400 From: Alex Snow To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: Visualy impaired Message-ID: <20030716211951.GB6547@h14me.homelinux.net> References: <000f01c34bbe$f95d0c00$c807fe3e@NigelStoppard> <16149.47484.174251.137611@akp@eznet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16149.47484.174251.137611@akp@eznet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Actually I'd even go as far as to say gigabytes of docs. There's definitly a lot of helpful sturff out there. On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:45:48PM -0400, Ann Parsons wrote: > Hi all, > > >>>>> "Nigel" == Nigel writes: > > Nigel> Hi all, Not being able to look at a computer screen > Nigel> means that it is very difficult to get information on > Nigel> linux. > > Oh, really? Interesting, an OS that has megabytes of good > documentation in either txt or html format is hard to access if you > can't read the screen? An operating system that has documentation for > each utility and each program and howtos for installation that, if you > know what you're reading, can help you install the complete > distribution is hard to access without looking at the screen? An > operating system whose makers believe that one should have access to > complete documentation is difficult to access because you can't read > the screen? Hmmmmmm, interesting. > > Nigel> I have found a 8.1 version of slackware and installing > Nigel> speakup sounds pretty tricky. Particularly as i will > Nigel> not be able to look at the screen. > > Perhaps Slackware is not the distribution you want. Might I suggest > Debian? I'm not positive on this point, but I think the speakup > modules and so on exist for Slackware. What makes you think it would > be so difficult? If you know how to answer the questions, access is > no problem. > > Nigel> I was wondering if there are other visualy impaired > Nigel> users of speakup on this list or if it is for > Nigel> developers. I have been using jaws to look at linux > Nigel> stuff most of the afternoon but the more i read the more > Nigel> it feels like its harder than blind folded brain > Nigel> surgery. I am starting to think i would be better off > Nigel> sticking with windows for the moment. > > Oh, my stars and garters! O my eyes and teeth! Let me see if I have > your logic straight here, Nigel. User equals blind. Programmer > equals sighted. All users are blind. All programmers are sighted. > No users are programmers, therefore no users are sighted. And > finally, all programmers are not users, therefore programmer equals > sighted? > > this is very interesting logic. Just exactly how did you arrive at > this logic? Where did you get the parts of this silogism? > Unfortunately, your information is faulty, therefore your logic is > faulty and therefore your silogism doesn't compute. Here is the > correct info. > > Most all members of this discussion group are blind. All members of > this discussion list use Speakup. Many members of this discussion > list are programmers who are programming their own screen reader for > Linux, i.e. speakup. Therefore, all programmers of Speakup use their > own program. All users are blind. In finally, there are no sighted > programmers who are currently working on the development of Speakup. > Therefore, access to an eyes-free installation is assured! > > Nigel> I have been looking at a linux newbies questions web > Nigel> site for slackware but its not very accessable using > Nigel> jaws. > > Well, you might want to look at:' > > http://www.linux-speakup.org > > You might conceivably find some information there which might be > useful. > > Ann P. > > -- > Ann K. Parsons > email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup