From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from dsl092-170-086.wdc1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.92.170.86] helo=cantata.rednote.net) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 195ujG-0001Am-00 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:46:06 -0400 Received: from janina by cantata.rednote.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 195ujU-0000Sf-00 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:46:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:46:20 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Subject: Re: redHat advanced server 2.0 and speakup Message-ID: <20030416214619.GA1761@rednote.net> References: <007601c30373$d5bde460$6401a8c0@us.oracle.com> <20030416022333.GB31026@rednote.net> <20030416031814.GA10512@kitten.net.au> <003001c303c7$581c22c0$6401a8c0@nu7i> <20030416034819.GA10950@kitten.net.au> <20030416150836.GA885@rednote.net> <001601c3042e$91c5ec60$6401a8c0@nu7i> <20030416154534.GF885@rednote.net> <002401c30436$76d87c30$6401a8c0@nu7i> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002401c30436$76d87c30$6401a8c0@nu7i> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux cantata 2.4.20 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Darrell Shandrow writes: > From: "Darrell Shandrow" > > Hi Janina, > > Actually, no, these aren't being portrayed as facts. Kindly show me what words in the following phrase indicate opinion, belief, or conjecture: "which isn't even up for consideration for inclusion in the main kernel" There's not a wit of speculation in this phrase. whatsoever. It's a bald assertion of fact. Furthermore, it's not even germane to the discussion. Instead, there is a > great deal of speculation resulting from such mistrust of RH's intentions. > This results from the frustration several of us have experienced dealing > with RH. When that happens, some admittedly unhealthy things tend to > happen. Like it or not... That's how some of us feel about the issues... > We're not as likely to sing the praises or say very nice things about our > enemies. > > > > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > A+, CCNA, Network+! > Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:45 AM > Subject: Re: redHat advanced server 2.0 and speakup > > > > This has nothing to do with trust. You don't make up things and state them > as fact, when you have no knowledge of any such fact. The person who does > > such things is untrustworthy. > > > > Hmmm, I guess it does have to do with trust, after all. Seems someone here > can't be trusted to tell the truth. > > > > Darrell Shandrow writes: > > > From: "Darrell Shandrow" > > > > > > Hi Janina, > > > > > > The simple fact of the matter is that RH has set up a level of mistrust > with > > > those of us who have either taken their certification courses or who > > > advocate for those who have. Like it or not, RH's actions will be seen > in > > > the light (or darkness) of our experiences. > > > > > > > > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > > > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > > > A+, CCNA, Network+! > > > Check out high quality telecommunications services at > http://ld.net/?nu7i > > > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Janina Sajka" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:08 AM > > > Subject: Re: redHat advanced server 2.0 and speakup > > > > > > > > > > Stop making up things. > > > > > > > > You were fine until you wrote: > > > > > > > > Aaron Howell writes: > > > > > > > > > > The chances of something like Speakup, which isn't even up for > > > consideration for inclusion in the main kernel yet > > > > > > > > You don't know that. So, why do you bother to assert such a thing? > It's > > > not even germane to this thread. > > > > > > > > What's with all this make believe? What need is it satisfying for you? > > > > > > > > I certainly understand that you might feel angry with RH over the way > you > > > were treated over your RCE. That makes a lot of sense. But, making > things up > > > > by way of some kind of revenge is just inappropriate behavior. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Director > > Technology Research and Development > > Governmental Relations Group > > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175