From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.comcast.net ([24.153.64.2]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 179U7e-0004Ye-00 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:05:30 -0400 Received: from potpal (pcp01535670pcs.huntsv01.al.comcast.net [68.62.184.22]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with ESMTP id <0GWD005UKBGETD@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Sun, 19 May 2002 13:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kennyhitt by potpal with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 179U9Z-0006T9-00 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 12:07:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:07:29 -0500 From: Kenny Hitt Subject: Re: possible sollution In-reply-to: <022601c1feeb$d4ca4540$7b4de9d5@microsoft.com> To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Message-id: <20020519170729.GA24703@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i References: <022601c1feeb$d4ca4540$7b4de9d5@microsoft.com> Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: First: How did you know when to select nest in Windows when You can't install a screen reader until after you install Windows? Second: When people tell you to go to a web sight, they are telling you where to find help for your problem. If you're to stupid or lazy to bother learning, that is your fault. Third: All the distributions I've tried have the same aproach during their install. Mainly, if you don't know just press enter and the install program will make a choice for you. Kenny On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 07:14:16AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > Yes I thought the same but I've discovered that I can't install Linux by > myself, without sighted help, especially if I don't know too many things > about Linux. > In Windows, even somebody don't know too many things, they could press the > "next" button and the system will be installed. > A friend installed me Red Hat, and there were some errors when trying to > install it. He solved the problem, but he also read me those errors and they > were criptical for me. > > What I don't like under Linux is that there is no help for newbies. > The people that know very much don't want to lose their times to teach > others. > They simply point to a web site, and that's all. > Well, I am not online all the time because I am on dial up. > The other manuals are only text format, and I should read a lot just to get > the information I want. > > I know, linux is very easy to use if you stay and read manuals for a few > months, but it is not my style of learning. > > I like the trial and fail by example way of learning. > > This is not very easy under Linux because I don't see any error message > telling me what's wrong. > > I can see "segmentation fault" and I don't know what can I do to solve it... > It is the same with the error messages from the log files. > They tell more than the error messages from under Windows, I think, but I > should learn by manual and it is not my style. > > I've tried learning from some lists, and almost all the help was "go to > http:// .... > I think you've got the idea. > > Well, I've made some lists on Yahoogroups for the blind and I really try to > help the people telling them step by step how to do some things, but Linux > people don't have the time. > > Even that friend that installed me Linux told me that if he sees some stupid > questions on a list, he doesn't answer because he loses his time. > Well, he is right, but if the people who don't know can't find help from the > people who know, then why joining a list? > Just for pointing to a web page? > I know to search with Google and I can find a lot of information about > Linux, but it will take me a lot of time to find what I could find with a > single question and answer. > > I have a lot of books about Linux and Unix but I don't have the time to read > them all. > > With my way of learning, I've learned a lot of things for Windows, but is > very hard to follow this way under Linux. > > Maybe I should change my way ... If I can. > > Teddy, > orasnita@home.ro > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 5:56 AM > Subject: Re: possible sollution > > > This is ridiculous. What do you mean you don't have another > "solution?" You have Linux, right? Why would you even want to go > further? Why would you bother to waste time compromising yourself > over some technology that doesn't even care about you? What kind > of a masochist are you, anyway? Stand up for yourself, and let > that other stuff go. You don't need it. > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > > > Thank you. So the people don't want the others attention. I think that's > the > > problem. > > In some countries, it is something very bad to crack or to use pirated > > software, but in others, the computer users have no other solution. > > So if I can't afford to buy something, than the company that produces that > > software don't lose anything anyway, because if I don't steal it, I won't > > use it. That's all. > > > > Teddy, > > orasnita@home.ro > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "brian Moore" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 6:58 AM > > Subject: Re: possible sollution > > > > > > our copy right laws in Canada are not significantly different in many > > respects than those in the u.s. this is one of my gripes with > > bookshare abut that is a separate issue. we have the same provisions > > which allow for alternate format distribution but we still can't get > > access. > > > > I am no copy right lawyer but I would suspect that discussing how one > > might by pass a copy protection system is not strictly illegal, it > > might attract some unwanted attention. > > > > Brian. > > > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > > > On 5/18/02 at 5:50 AM Octavian Rasnita wrote: > > > > >Is illegal in Canada to speak about cracks? > > >To speak, not to crack. > > > > > >Thank you for information. > > >Teddy, > > >orasnita@home.ro > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Gregory Nowak" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:34 AM > > >Subject: Re: possible sollution > > > > > > > > >I agree. However, this list is on a machine in Canada. So ... Of > > course, I > > >don't know what the differences in such laws are between the 2 > > countries. > > >Greg > > > > > > > > >On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 08:30:51PM -0400, Cecil H. Whitley wrote: > > >> *snip* > > >> > > >> > Hey Igor, > > >> > What you may want to look at is just doing a dump *snip* > > >> > > >> Can you please cease and desist with this on this list? After all, > > there > > >is > > >> a DMCA for us here in the u.s. This thread is quite possibly over > > the > > >line > > >> of what is legal within this country. I for one do not wish to see > > this > > >> list banned and the site blocked and I assume that either or both > > could > > >> occur within the u.s. Your cooperation is appreciated. > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> > > >> Cecil Whitley > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Speakup mailing list > > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Speakup mailing list > > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Speakup mailing list > > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup