From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1IdqzF-000571-00 for ; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:29:17 -0400 Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id f.d15.15a20427 (57881) for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.65] (87.114.134.241.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net [87.114.134.241]) by air-ia04.mail.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILINIA43-e2194706743c17c; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 13:28:41 -0400 Subject: Re: slackware and accessibility packages From: Michael Whapples To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." In-Reply-To: <20071005121227.GB3244@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> References: <1191578005.28487.19.camel@localhost> <20071005121227.GB3244@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:29:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1191605393.7349.17.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 87.114.134.241 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:29:17 -0000 Hello, To further discuss what I am thinking regarding this. Yes the comment about documentation is a good one, and I probably will try and create some howtos for the packages I build (eg. speakup with software speech on slackware howto, would discuss what packages you would need, and what you might want to configure afterwards, such as changing the synth speech-dispatcher uses, etc). The packages I mentioned were just a start, of course there will be more such as speechd-up, flite (possibly), gnome-java-access-bridge, etc. What ever there may be a call for. At the moment I don't have the knowledge to make a custom distro, so that is partly the reason I am saying that unless there is something too specific to expect to be in a main distro, the project will not try and do that. Yes software speech for an install would be nice, but I don't think other distros (ubuntu and grml) have sorted the sound issue fully yet (unmuting the sound card, and for users to have a convenient way to choose a card in a multi-sound-card system), so it may have to be a longer term thought for that as learning to create the custom distro probably is enough without having those extra issues to contend with. I did find some interesting issues when trying to create the SlackBuild for speech-dispatcher (related to the python bindings), but that I think is a bit off topic for here, other than to say I have succeeded at creating a SlackBuild script and package for speech-dispatcher. Now the question remains, where to have this project hosted, I was considering sourceforge, any better suggestions? From Michael Whapples On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 05:12 -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > I would be quite interested in how things go for you. I too built > packages for some of these but never got them publically posted. A > couple things I seemed to run into were necessary customizations that > might make it dificult to share to the general public without > compatibility issues. Don't suppose speech dispatcher / espeak / > speechd-up fall into this but my package building experience is green > aat the very least.:) > > I had been using checkinstall to help build some of these but I began > running into unpredictable incidents where the build process would > louse up my production environment so am going back to manually > derived SlackBuild scripts to construct these in the future. > > Anyway, I'm probabally veering way off topic for this list so would be > willing to collaborate with you to further this effort if possible. > > On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 10:53:25AM +0100, Michael Whapples wrote: > > Hello, > > I don't know how much interest this would be, but I am sure you will let > > me know. I am thinking of creating slackware packages of some of the > > accessibility related tools and any dependencies which are not already > > in packaged formats. This would also cover any dependencies for these > > packages which are not already available in slackware packages (either > > from slackware or some of the alternative repositories). I have > > currently made packages for espeak and speech-dispatcher (I have also > > done dotconf as this is a dependency for speech-dispatcher). > > > > I am considering starting a project/community for this topic. Aims would > > be to create and maintain SlackBuild scripts and packages as described > > above, encourage mainstream projects to include accessibility as default > > (eg. gnome slacky www.slacky.eu installs orca, gnome-speech as default > > when doing a full install, and they have festival in the repository, but > > they don't install festival as part of a full install (so orca by > > default cannot output speech), I would try and encourage them to alter > > this to include festival as part of a full install). Also I would try > > and encourage projects to take on packages not currently included at all > > and possibly maintain the package for them (eg. neither slackware or > > gnome slacky have espeak, speech-dispatcher or speechd-up so there is no > > way to use speakup with software synths without compiling software). I > > would not intend to try and create a custom distro of slackware, as I > > think it is preferrable if the accessibility is there as default, > > although I wouldn't rule it out should there be a significant call for > > something and it being sufficiently different that a custom distro would > > make sense (eg. a slackware install disk with speakup and software > > speech support, so an install can be done without a hardware synth). > > > > Any ideas on this? Is there call for this? > > > > From > > Michael Whapples > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >