From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.61]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 177ybh-0001eV-00 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:14:17 -0400 Received: from 209-122-152-139.hybrid.hlb-ubr.nj.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.152.139] helo=6S4X011) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #10) id 177ybe-0004Cq-00 for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Wed, 15 May 2002 09:14:15 -0400 Message-ID: <04cd01c1fc12$606cf9d0$6501a8c0@6S4X011> From: "Erik Heil" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020514114043.03621e40@198.144.194.210> <20020515051609.C303@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Subject: Re: xwindows Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:13:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Reply-To: "Erik Heil" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Steve. I would be interested in helping to create such a tutorial. However, we would have to have some standard course, because their are so mahy istros out there. It may be safe to assume that I would concentrate on Debian, because this is mainly what I am ufamiliar with. As far as setting up Lynx and pine goes, that's a pretty streight forward process. You nneed not be concerned with building the applications from source code, because there are always precompiled binaries available. In my case, editing a makefile and building a particular application from its source tree really isn't a problem. Then again this might be considered an advanced topic. I'd be interested to hear any comments from you and the list at large as a whole. For those of you who may be at the NFB convention this year in Louieville, I was even thinking of doing some Linux promoting, perhaps creating a few CD sets of the binary and source Debian distros. --Regards, Erik >eheil@rcn.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holmes" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:16 AM Subject: Re: xwindows > I think there's a few reasons why. First of all, it takes time; the > time spent will be the free available time someone has to sit down and > do such a thing. Another is that basic needs vary enough that it may > be quite difficult to come up with a generic tutorial that would fit > everyone. Some while back, there were two brief introductions to > Linux done for the Main Menu program. Brief, yes; a bit specific? > yes. Joe Norton's deal mainly spent time on getting and installing > Slackware and Matt Campbell's project talked about Debian and doing > some basic functions on getting around on Linux. I'm not sure if > either of these programs will really get someone going with Linux, but > it is a good start. > > This all-in-one tutorial would have to address the differences among > the popular distributions of Linux, how to use and configure several > clients like mail for use, how to configure lynx since that seems to > be the browser of choice, some basic sys admin needs such as getting > PPP to work or configuring the network interface. Gee did I miss > anything?:) You can see quickly how this tutorial becomes a *HUGE* > project. I wonder how much time Jonathan has available for this; it > might take six months:) I don't know, might not take that long but it > is a mammoth project indeed. > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 01:26:52PM -0400, Will Smith wrote: > > Hello Charles, > > > > Thanks for saying so well what I've been thinking for years! I'd be glad > > to purchase a linux "how-to" tutorial that would provide a solid and > > detailed step by step guide on how to set up and run slackware and debian > > for my daily online needs. > > > > I'm surprised that no one has been willing or able to create such a > > tutorial product, as I believe it would fill a great and growing need by > > many blind computer users. > > > > Will > > wilsmith@iglou.com > > On Tue, 14 May 2002, Charles Crawford wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hi toby and all, > > > > > > > > > You said: "Another way to put it, if I were > > > >being particularly blunt, which I'm not, is r t fm. > > > > > > > >Ok, so people don't use uniform interfaces, but that's great, cos it means > > > >that those that don't like a certain interface have a choice." > > > > > > > > > While I understand what you are saying, the statement only reinforces > > > the view of the vast majority of people who reject Linux and Unix for that > > > matter based upon the real difficulties of using them. > > > > > > I do not consider myself a novice at computing and I love the text > > > mode of Linux and it's speed, but spending inordinate amounts of time > > > trying to learn and use this obviously great system is a time consumer > > > neither I nor most other folks can aford. > > > > > > Even when I have consulted the how to docs, I have to say that > > > they often only sort of help. So why is there not a tape tutorial for > > > Linux tht can be used by the average blind person? Maybe that is more > > > needed than any other project. > > > > > > -- Charlie. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >