From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mta1.math.wisc.edu ([144.92.166.194]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1IJXq8-00022Y-00 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:59:56 -0400 Received: from ulam.math.wisc.edu (ulam.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.245]) by mta1.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F3B745AE for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:59:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from vv507j (vv507j.math.wisc.edu [144.92.166.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ulam.math.wisc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6552BD9E for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:59:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <02b901c7db6f$cfe06170$4ba65c90@vv507j> From: "John Heim" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: Subject: Re: My Views Regarding Kernel Vs. Userspace Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:59:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-UWMath-MailScanner: amavisd-new at math.wisc.edu X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:59:56 -0000 From: "Gene Collins" > Hi Ace! No Speakup in user space wouldn't have been able to help you > solve your problem. In my not so humble opinion, those who are whining > about speakup not needing to be in user space are just full of it and > don't have the technical knowledge to express such an opinion. Most of > them still think from a Windows mind set where they are used to being > told, "no, we can't give you access to that." That is not true. If anything, the opposite is closer to the truth. Most of the people who think speakup could reside entirely in user space are so knowledgable that they don't need to see boot messages. There are other ways of figuring things out like examining the logs. My opinion is that while it may be theoretically possible to get along without access to boot messages, it's not practical. Blind people already have enough trouble competing for jobs and not having access to boot messages would be a significant new hurdle to over come. Also, to be fair, I don't think anybody on this list argued that blind people don't really need access to boot messages except in terms of suggesting alternatives. At least this is what I think the intention was. And, after all, that is useful information to have.