From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com ([204.127.198.38]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 179S2s-0006v9-00 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 10:52:26 -0400 Received: from mycomputer ([24.62.38.156]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020519145157.SQMY24980.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@mycomputer> for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 14:51:57 +0000 Message-ID: <00bd01c1ff44$8292c3c0$02263e18@mycomputer> From: "Igor Gueths" To: References: Subject: Re: interesting experiment. Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 10:50:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Reading man pages was always how I learned stuff. If I ask someone could = be from this list about something, I usually ask them where can I find = the docs for so and so? Then I go, read the docs, and understand what I = need to know to solve my particular problem. After a few days, I solve = it and I don't have to worry about it not working ever again. Like my cd = burner, all I had to do is compile in support for chr_sr and chr_sg and = it worked fine after that. Now, when I do cdrecord -audio -dev=3D0,0,0 = -v -eject or something like that, I can count on it working. I also used = to use Irix a lot back in my shell account days, so I was already used = to it. Just my two-sense.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Deedra Waters To: Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > I think honestly that if beginners have an easy start it may help some = in > the long run. I honestly think that there are some people who want to > learn but are having a hard time in which case, helping them can be > useful. >=20 > I'm bad at sitting and reading manpage after manpage trying to find > things, and I was even worse at the beginning. I had a great deal of = help > in the beginning, and there was a lot I didn't understand. >=20 > I'm not really sure where I'm going with this accept to say that there = are > people who have a real hard time by just reading, and helping them, or > trying to walk them threw some things doesn't always mean that they = need > to be spoonfead >=20 >=20 > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Toby Fisher wrote: >=20 > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > >=20 > > > Hi, thank you. > > > No, I don't like Windows. I don't use to play games because I = don't have the > > > time. > >=20 > > Oh now you don't know what you're missing, I can recommend GMA Games = for > > one, for a bit of light relief. > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > But I also don't like to see a lot of people from this list, nor > > from any > > > list, thinking that Linux is better than Windows. > >=20 > > Actually, if you look carefully at most of what you view to be > > anti-Windows comments, they are, in the main, aimed at the company = that > > spawned it. > >=20 > > > Windows is better than Linux for multimedia development but = Macintosh is > > > even better than Windows for this thing. > > > > > > Some Unix graphic stations are better probably than Macintosh for = their > > > purpose. > >=20 > > Yes, but until very recently Macintosh had a problem with expensive > > hardware, for example, on some power macs there was only 1 make of = modem > > you could use because of the connection it required; guess what, = they're > > not made any more so my friend is going to have to buy a new = computer, > > this is, imho, a potential problem which can arise when hardware and > > software are made by the same company, as used to happen back in the = big > > mainframe days. > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > I like the Linux users to be a kind of helpful community, because > > they are > > > not very many, especially blind, but all the experimented people = in linux > > > give the beginners criptical commands without explaining too much, = RTFM, > > > etc. > >=20 > > I believe that there are reasons for this. > >=20 > > First, what that person may want is a means to get up and running as > > hasle-free as possible. Second, explanation of the command may, and = note > > I use the word may, cause confusion, until the person has read some = docs, > > which they may be unable to do due to whatever problem it is that = has > > caused them to write to the list. > >=20 > > Third, it does not help anyone, least of all the beginner, if they = are > > spoon-fed, as they may then be unable to help themselves if they are = ever > > stuck without an internet connection, or otherwise unable to call on > > required assistance. > >=20 > > Cheers. > >=20 > > --=20 > > Toby Fisher Email: toby@g0ucu.freeserve.co.uk > > Tel.: +44(0)1480 417272 Mobile: +44(0)7974 363239 > > ICQ: #61744808 > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup