From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from home.rdsnet.ro ([193.231.236.40] helo=relay1.home.ro) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ALd1-0006wj-00 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 22:13:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 21213 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 02:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp) (213.233.73.175) by s1.home.ro with SMTP; 22 May 2002 02:13:28 -0000 Message-ID: <00a201c20136$6d7dadd0$af49e9d5@microsoft.com> From: "Octavian Rasnita" To: References: <20020519131104.C16823@romualt.dhs.org> <20020520152701.C5306@joana.gotss.net> <003901c1fff5$52b8d5c0$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> <016b01c2002e$cc31b320$02263e18@mycomputer> Subject: Re: Hackers Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:45:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: See? Now I think you understand what I am trying to say. I learned the MS DOS commands before even seing a computer. Yes, before even seing and even though I knew what each command was doing, even though there were many strange commands also for my knowledge of that time, I didn't know if that prompt will appear at the bottom of the screen or in the middle or elsewhere. Now, I don't like to happen me the thing you describe. I don't want to open a computer with the today technology (and this mean graphical interface) and don't know what to do there. I know, the thing that I've learned DOS pretty well, helped me a lot to understand how Windows works, or how the internet works, and probably learning the Linux command lines will also help me, but I can't find the right tools for working with Linux in command line mode. Teddy, orasnita@home.ro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Gueths" To: Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Hackers Hi Rich. Same here. I knew all the ins and outs of my old Dos machine. Then Winblows came along, and things got more complicated and nothing made sense. Now I use Linux, and things are falling back into place for me in terms of what I knew about working with Irix on a ppp connection back about 7-8 years ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Caloggero To: Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 7:56 AM Subject: Hackers > A resounding "me too". The old-style hacker is really going out of style it > seems. But maybe its more than that. Maybe things are just getting > exponentially more complex, while also becoming more commercialized. I > remember working on unix in the 80s on a network of Apollo workstations. It > seemed I knew everything about those machines and the OS, right down to the > system calls. Now, over 15 years later, I find myself fighting just to keep > up with the technology, and find I know very little about any one thing. > Now, is that because I'm not 20 something anymore, or because there's just > that much more to know, etc. Still hesitate to call myself a true hacker > though; I'm just not that smart! > > Rich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerry Hoath" > To: > Sent: 20 May, 2002 3:27 AM > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > awwwwwwww shucks :-) that at least cheers me up emensely. > It's not just this list; it seems that the new breed of IT people aren't > like us oldschool bunch. > I remember the net before the world wide web; when archie > was the search tool of choice. I don't want to go back > to those days; but it is interesting to reflect on. > > Regards, Kerry. > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 02:41:59PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 05:59:58PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote: > > > > > > Maybe I am becoming disalusioned, but it seems so many people these > days have > > > > no desire to know how things work, I mean really work. > > > > Kerry: > > > > I suspect some of this desire to remain ignorant becomes more > > prevalent when something becomes more popular. But, please don't > > become disillusioned with us here on this list. I'm sure I'm not > > the only one that really appreciates your thoughtful and precise > > posts. Your name comes up frequently in my saved folders because > > of the knowledge and support you've provided here. I just want > > you know that I, for one, appreciate you. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > -- > Kerry Hoath: kerry@gotss.net kerry@gotss.eu.org or > kerry@gotss.spice.net.au > ICQ: 8226547 msn: kerry@gotss.net Yahoo: kerryhoath@yahoo.com.au > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup