From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.174.114]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lbK6-0001j8-00 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:55:38 -0500 Received: from igueths (AUTH login) at h0020780ec921.ne.client2.attbi.com (HELO OEMCOMPUTER) (igueths@24.62.33.0) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 19:55:36 -0000 Message-ID: <009301c1cb91$16d77540$01213e18@OEMCOMPUTER> From: "Igor Gueths" To: References: Subject: Re: Computer Science Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:47:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Johan. Do they teach Linux programming in C over there? Or is it just = Winblows like over here? I'd be interested to hear more about this, = since I am from the United States, and most of the stuff over here is = Winblows programming unfortunately. At least this is as far as colleges = go.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Johan Bergstr=F6m To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Computer Science > In sweden the universities teach lisp/ada/c/c++ and other programming > languages. Not IDE's. At least the ones I know about. There are = separate > windows programming classes, at some places, which are specially for > people who enjoy that kind of stuff, where they debug the windows = kernel > using softice and stuff like that. They run most of their server in a = *nix > based enviroment. >=20 > johbe >=20 > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote: >=20 > > Amanda so true. I am a CS student myself and I know exactly what my = college > > teaches. They teach you Visual Basic, html with Javascript, Visual = C++, MS > > SQL, MS Access, and you get the point. > > Almost everything is now Microsoft this, and Microsoft that. In fact = all the > > computers in the CS labs have Windows NT on them. > > They use to offer Unix C programming courses, but I don't think they = do any > > more. Been a while since I stepped into a class room, and when I = went > > through they were just making the switch to MS everything. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Amanda Lee > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:36 AM > > Subject: Re: Computer Science > > > > > > > Nope, Unix, Mainframes aren't standard anymore. The college grads = we get > > > these days at Verizon have no clue what Unix or Mainframes are all = about. > > > Everything is taught on a Windows-based Platform. I believe JAVA = is > > > taught, probably Visual Basic, Maybe sometimes C Language but = usually C > > > Plus Plus which was actually abandoned in the project I work on = for > > > straight C Language. > > > > > > I would think in the future though, there will be a change back to = at > > > least teaching Linux since it can run on a less expensive = platform. It's > > > pretty disgraceful how the content of Computer Sciences education = has been > > > degraded and these kids coming out have an ego bigger than life = and think > > > they can take on the World in a day! > > > > > > They really struggle when they can't understand how to program and = the > > > quality of code coming out is pretty awful. There is even this = mentality > > > in the Corporate World which indicates that one can learn = everything they > > > need to on the job and yet they can't figure out why there are so = many > > > problems with efficiency and the costs resulting from poor = efficiency. > > > > > > Amanda Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > I'm not going to get involved in the "bookshare wars', but since = you > > were > > > > chastizing others on this list because most people use WINDOWS = and not > > > > linux, I think its only fair to point out that your computer = science > > > > department is very nonstandard. Though I am a meteorologist, = not a > > > > computer science person, I know many computer science students = in the > > past > > > > and the present. Teaching WINDOWS programming is very = nonstandard. I > > > > would guess that at least 90 percent of the schools teach = programming on > > a > > > > UNIX variant of some kind. In the past thre was a fair amount = of people > > > > using VMS. However, a lot of beginning C and C++ classes did = use > > > > Turbo/Borland. WINDOWS programming is much more difficult than = UNIX > > > > programming, so I suppose you are to be congratulated for making = it > > > > through such a tough curriculum. > > > > > > > > Jim Wantz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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