From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com ([216.148.227.87]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 179ruM-0005xw-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:29:22 -0400 Received: from mycomputer ([24.62.38.156]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020520182852.VJHY14522.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@mycomputer> for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:28:52 +0000 Message-ID: <006501c2002b$f9d3db80$02263e18@mycomputer> From: "Igor Gueths" To: References: <035901c1ffad$b2fa2e90$bd49e9d5@microsoft.com> Subject: Re: interesting experiment. Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:27:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Teddy. Just do a googlesearch on "download sox," you should get = something. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Octavian Rasnita To: Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > Are these programs free? Do you have a web site address where I can > download them? >=20 > Thanks. > Teddy, > orasnita@home.ro >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. >=20 >=20 > Alex: >=20 > There's both ecasound and sox, and they're both very powerful. > But, they work very differetnly from Sound Forge and Cool Edit. > Also, their documentation is not professionally written, even > though it is professional quality software. >=20 > In the realm of sound creation, there's the very classic Csound > available for linux. This is the grand old synthesis ware that > has been the bread and butter of major electronic music research > facilities like carma at Stanford and Earcom in Paris. >=20 > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Alex Snow wrote: >=20 > > Is there any console based audio editors that work under linux? I've = seen > > one listed on the speakup projects page, but it said that it was on = hold > > because there were alternate solutions out there. What are those > alternate > > solutions? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rich Caloggero" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:08 AM > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > > > > > Yes, I must second on the music stuff. The only reason I use = windows and > > > Jaws is that it gives me access to cakeWalk, a very powerful (and = mostly > > > accessible) music sequencing and audio editing environment. = Writing such > a > > > beast is very difficult, nontrivial, very f*cking hard, and takes = many > > human > > > years to accomplish. > > > To be fair, some of this difficulty may have to do with its = reliance on > > > Windows and its very ugly GUI programming (yes, its as ugly to = develope > > > under as it is to use), and some of the complexity may have to do = with > its > > > ability to deal with music notation, but its still a nontrivial = task to > > > write such a beast. My feeling is that a console based sequencing = and > > audio > > > package like cakeWalk won't ever be created, because sighted = people want > > to > > > use a GUI. When gnome comes on-line for us, we may have more = options in > > this > > > regard. I've heard of mixers and effects processors which are = x-windows > > > based, but I'm not sure how well they work. I think there is a = sequencer > > or > > > two as well for the X environment. The question is, are any of = these as > > good > > > as cakeWalk? CakeWalk is a professional quality product in every = way. > The > > > only thing nonprofessional about it is Windows! > > > > > > There is someone (Frank Carmichael, I believe) who has been = working on > the > > > audio piece of this, so maybe he can chime in on this and tell me = how > > *wrong > > > I am*! > > > > > > There is no way to create music the way I do without this program! = It > sux, > > > but its unfortunately the case. > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Octavian Rasnita" > > > To: > > > Sent: 18 May, 2002 8:37 PM > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > > > > > > > Are there any games accessible for the blind under Linux, like = under > > > Windows? > > > Please tell me some web addresses. > > > Are there any good sound editing programs for Linux, like Sound = Forge, > > Cool > > > Edit, Gold Wave, etc, and programs for creating MIDI music, like = Cake > > Walk? > > > > > > Is there a text editor, that has macro features, Regular = expressions, > the > > > ability to save in Windows/Mac/Unix format, etc? > > > > > > ... Just a few things that camed to mind. > > > > > > A lot of things are accessible, but ... harder to learn, harder to > > configure > > > and harder to use, if I am not so bright to remember 1000 command = line > > > parameters. > > > > > > Thank you for the links. > > > Teddy, > > > orasnita@home.ro > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Janina Sajka" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:59 PM > > > Subject: Re: interesting experiment. > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 18 May 2002, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > > > > I just wish Linux were > > > > a more viable general purpose workstation; I use Windows for = that > > purpose. > > > > > > > Hi, Darrell: > > > > > > Just wondering what you think is missing from Linux' desktop > > > applications. > > > > > > In case this sounds loaded, it might be. The underlying question > > > might be: Is it your knowledge deficit, or is it Linux itself? > > > For my own experience in this matter, I've found it's my > > > knowledge deficit almost without exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > -- > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > >=20 > -- >=20 > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) >=20 > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 >=20 > Chair, Accessibility SIG > Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) > http://www.openebook.org >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup