From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com ([216.136.173.58]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lbG1-00019Q-00 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:51:25 -0500 Received: from igueths (AUTH login) at h0020780ec921.ne.client2.attbi.com (HELO OEMCOMPUTER) (igueths@24.62.33.0) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 19:51:25 -0000 Message-ID: <005f01c1cb90$817d82a0$01213e18@OEMCOMPUTER> From: "Igor Gueths" To: References: <000a01c1cb75$09eca380$0100a8c0@tward> Subject: Re: Computer Science Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:43:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Thomas. I can agree with you on that one. Even though I am not in = college yet and am still looking around, I'm looking to get into the = same field. I'm encountering the same things. Here's an example. I was = looking to apply to New England Tech next year out in Rhode Island. I = talked to the admissions guy about what I knew and what I didn't know. I = told him that I was interested in programming under Linux with C or C++. = He gave me a list of courses and guess what, all winblows! Why don't = colleges offer Linux stuff anymore? Its much less expensive for the = machines, because Linux has much less stringent hardware requirements = then Microshaft. You might be asking what I'm trying to say from all = this? Well the answer is quite simple. If you learn programming with = Linux yourself like I am doing with C, there aren't many people in this = field. Therefore, there's the possibility that you'll get hired, because = especially right now that companies are realizing that Linux is a better = alternative, there is a higher demand for Linux users. Thus, you could = get hired because you know Linux. I hope that this post doesn't offend = anyone at all, I'm just trying to contribute to Thomas's argument by = saying that I totally agree with what he is saying. Anyone please feel = free to add to what I've said, or correct me if you want to.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thomas Ward To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Computer Science > Amanda so true. I am a CS student myself and I know exactly what my = college > teaches. They teach you Visual Basic, html with Javascript, Visual = C++, MS > SQL, MS Access, and you get the point. > Almost everything is now Microsoft this, and Microsoft that. In fact = all the > computers in the CS labs have Windows NT on them. > They use to offer Unix C programming courses, but I don't think they = do any > more. Been a while since I stepped into a class room, and when I went > through they were just making the switch to MS everything. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Amanda Lee > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: Computer Science >=20 >=20 > > Nope, Unix, Mainframes aren't standard anymore. The college grads = we get > > these days at Verizon have no clue what Unix or Mainframes are all = about. > > Everything is taught on a Windows-based Platform. I believe JAVA is > > taught, probably Visual Basic, Maybe sometimes C Language but = usually C > > Plus Plus which was actually abandoned in the project I work on for > > straight C Language. > > > > I would think in the future though, there will be a change back to = at > > least teaching Linux since it can run on a less expensive platform. = It's > > pretty disgraceful how the content of Computer Sciences education = has been > > degraded and these kids coming out have an ego bigger than life and = think > > they can take on the World in a day! > > > > They really struggle when they can't understand how to program and = the > > quality of code coming out is pretty awful. There is even this = mentality > > in the Corporate World which indicates that one can learn everything = they > > need to on the job and yet they can't figure out why there are so = many > > problems with efficiency and the costs resulting from poor = efficiency. > > > > Amanda Lee > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote: > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > I'm not going to get involved in the "bookshare wars', but since = you > were > > > chastizing others on this list because most people use WINDOWS and = not > > > linux, I think its only fair to point out that your computer = science > > > department is very nonstandard. Though I am a meteorologist, not = a > > > computer science person, I know many computer science students in = the > past > > > and the present. Teaching WINDOWS programming is very = nonstandard. I > > > would guess that at least 90 percent of the schools teach = programming on > a > > > UNIX variant of some kind. In the past thre was a fair amount of = people > > > using VMS. However, a lot of beginning C and C++ classes did use > > > Turbo/Borland. WINDOWS programming is much more difficult than = UNIX > > > programming, so I suppose you are to be congratulated for making = it > > > through such a tough curriculum. > > > > > > Jim Wantz > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com