From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com ([24.254.60.39]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16X6ij-0003CG-00 for ; Sat, 02 Feb 2002 15:25:09 -0500 Received: from cp286066a ([68.50.224.13]) by femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20020202202511.HRTE17610.femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cp286066a> for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:25:11 -0800 Message-ID: <004901c1ac27$b7a8ce80$0de03244@cp286066a> From: "David Poehlman" To: References: <007701c1abf7$36658820$038d3244@cp286066a> <004401c1ac0a$712cdae0$0100a8c0@mshome.net> <001301c1ac0e$76ec6cd0$7d8d3244@cp286066a> <007001c1ac0f$6d81e200$0100a8c0@mshome.net> Subject: Re: So much Windows Mailer crap on this list... Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:25:12 -0500 Organization: Hands-on Technolog(eye)s X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hmmm, I think I'd have to go to none for that to work. I love the way jaws works with my accent sa. If I had to use eloq.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Lee" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: Re: So much Windows Mailer crap on this list... O' okay whatever JFW uses for turning off that symbol. I don't hear it in Window-Eyes or WinVision and use JFW so rarely that I don't remember and when I do use JFW it's to drive the Braille Display only as I dislike how Eloquence operates on the 266MHZ box I have at work and JFW does such a poor job of implementing the Accent driver for the Artic Transport synthesizer. Amanda ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: So much Windows Mailer crap on this list... funny, when I have symbols to most, I do hear it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Lee" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: Re: So much Windows Mailer crap on this list... I set symbols to most and I don't hear the > signs at all. When I talk to people, I don't say punctuation or symbols to them unless I'm describing the syntax of something so don't see the need to hear it from speech output either. If I need to clarify the syntax of an item, then I review it with the appropriate review features of a Screen Reader or verify with a Braile Display when using a Braille Dislay. Amanda Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: So much Windows Mailer crap on this list... yes, they are pronounced and I know I can kill them but then if I did that, I'd get some char strings rong so don't want to. In pine, you can eliminate them from first generation forwarding and you can do this in oe too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: Re: So much Windows Mailer crap on this list... Yep. You're in ISO 8895(1). Now, please explain about the >< thingie. Are those being pronounced on you? They do serve a function, of course, but I can also understand why they're annoying with the current state of screen readers. Ideally, their presence at the beginning of a line of text should trigger some sonic change in the speech such as pitch, I would think. On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, David Poehlman wrote: > test > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Stivers" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: So much Windows Mailer crap on this list... > > > Assuming you are using OE go to tools, options and then the send > tab. Tab until you get to what I believe is called international > settings... button and hit enter. Then you will be in a combo box of > char sets and the one you want is I believe western iso or something, > but > it definitely has iso in it. If you can't find it next time I have to > run > windows I will look. > > -- > > -- > Thomas Stivers > stivers_t@mail.utexas.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup