From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com ([24.93.67.83]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19zwXT-0000mr-00 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:01:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (cpe-069-132-009-002.carolina.rr.com [69.132.9.2]) by ms-smtp-02.southeast.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id h8IAu6pM018088 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003a01c37d0a$ba660920$0100007f@carolina.rr.com> From: "Chris" To: References: <000d01c37c99$ab393740$0100007f@carolina.rr.com> <20030917214244.GA7290@romuald.net.eu.org> <000901c37c9e$4e67ac40$0100007f@carolina.rr.com> <003e01c37d7b$61fbb0c0$6500a8c0@merlin> <16233.7538.218047.27527@akp@eznet.net> <20030918032620.GA8689@romuald.net.eu.org> <016201c37d97$fff9cac0$6d00a8c0@desktop> Subject: Re: I'm sorry, but I'm desperet Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 06:59:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: W'w'w'w'wo! hear he, hear he! LOL! ROFL! Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Ervin at home" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:50 PM Subject: Re: I'm sorry, but I'm desperet > Hello Greg, > Some people learn better by trial and error, as opposed to reading a manual. > You mentioned "laziness or impatient". > I must admit that I am sometimes too impatient to read a manual, but there I > must just consider this a learning style. > Where I can spend hours figuring out a program or O S, and not be > frustrated, I sometimes find it difficult to read a manual, and read through > 80% of material covering common sense, and 10% of stuff I will never need, > only to get to a small portion of help that I really need. > So when someone asks me if I read the manual, I want to ask them something > rude in return, but I don't. > I think this is one of the reasons a list like this exists. > If I am wrong, I'll be glad to leave. > Glenn. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory Nowak" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: I'm sorry, but I'm desperet > > > By asking if Chris had read the docs, I was simply attempting to > determine which parts of the configuration he was specifically having > trouble with. Configuring alsa can be an involved process, and I > didn't want to give an unnecessarily long explanation, when I could > have spent the same amount of time addressing a particular issue in > more detail. > > Also, I am finding that I need to ask people if they have read the > documentation, as unfortunate as that may be. The sad fact is that > most people expect someone else to do everything for them, while they > expect to learn nothing about it, and take advantage of the other > person's work on their behalf at the same time. I don't mind teaching > and explaining whatever I can. However I do mind if someone just > expects me to do all the work for them because they're to > lazy/impatient to read up on the procedure themselves. Note that > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup