From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu ([18.7.21.83]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 179lpk-000225-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 08:00:12 -0400 Received: from central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (CENTRAL-CITY-CARRIER-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.72]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA23676 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 08:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by central-city-carrier-station.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA19653 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 07:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rich (146-115-123-205.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com [146.115.123.205]) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id HAA20140 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 07:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003901c1fff5$52b8d5c0$6401a8c0@cable.rcn.com> From: "Rich Caloggero" To: References: <20020519131104.C16823@romualt.dhs.org> <20020520152701.C5306@joana.gotss.net> Subject: Hackers Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 07:56:03 -0400 Organization: MIT ATIC Lab MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Reply-To: "Rich Caloggero" List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: A resounding "me too". The old-style hacker is really going out of style it seems. But maybe its more than that. Maybe things are just getting exponentially more complex, while also becoming more commercialized. I remember working on unix in the 80s on a network of Apollo workstations. It seemed I knew everything about those machines and the OS, right down to the system calls. Now, over 15 years later, I find myself fighting just to keep up with the technology, and find I know very little about any one thing. Now, is that because I'm not 20 something anymore, or because there's just that much more to know, etc. Still hesitate to call myself a true hacker though; I'm just not that smart! Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Hoath" To: Sent: 20 May, 2002 3:27 AM Subject: Re: interesting experiment. awwwwwwww shucks :-) that at least cheers me up emensely. It's not just this list; it seems that the new breed of IT people aren't like us oldschool bunch. I remember the net before the world wide web; when archie was the search tool of choice. I don't want to go back to those days; but it is interesting to reflect on. Regards, Kerry. On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 02:41:59PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 05:59:58PM +0800, Kerry Hoath wrote: > > > > Maybe I am becoming disalusioned, but it seems so many people these days have > > > no desire to know how things work, I mean really work. > > Kerry: > > I suspect some of this desire to remain ignorant becomes more > prevalent when something becomes more popular. But, please don't > become disillusioned with us here on this list. I'm sure I'm not > the only one that really appreciates your thoughtful and precise > posts. Your name comes up frequently in my saved folders because > of the knowledge and support you've provided here. I just want > you know that I, for one, appreciate you. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- Kerry Hoath: kerry@gotss.net kerry@gotss.eu.org or kerry@gotss.spice.net.au ICQ: 8226547 msn: kerry@gotss.net Yahoo: kerryhoath@yahoo.com.au