From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1I3ErZ-0003Cb-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:30:01 -0400 Received: from ALBERTLC7SN0ZA ([68.163.238.66]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JK900D5S5ZQ6K60@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:02:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:03:40 -0400 From: "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" Subject: Re: Software speech opinions To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Message-id: <002d01c7b813$f27baf70$6405a8c0@ALBERTLC7SN0ZA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20070625031627.GC32366@localhost.localdomain><013701c7b7a0$5b1dd2c0$b100a8c0@AveratecLaptop><20070626042409.GA25331@cm.nu> <026001c7b7ac$7a18ebe0$b100a8c0@AveratecLaptop> <047301c7b809$9b0d3920$4ba65c90@vv507j> X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:30:01 -0000 > I would ask people spouting off in this thread to ask themselves what = *they*=20 > have contributed. It seems to me that a lot of people are making = suggestions=20 > for what other people should do or sell. >=20 > Say the best thing to do is to move speakup into user space. How is = that=20 > going to get done? I guess we're all going to volunteer Kirk to do it. = Eh? You seem to be saying that the mere users should keep their traps shut. = In real life, a good majority of the people who use computers will know = little or nothing about how to fix the problems that arise. Do you = really propose that these people, such as my wife, have no business = complaining or suggesting because they're not ultranerds? As for myself, I do intend to learn enough to work on speakup and other = code. I'm a programmer; that stuff grabs me; I hope to make a living at = it again. but if I were to try to "contribute" at the moment, the worst = code ever found in the kernel or in Speakup would look like utter beauty = and perfection compared to what I'd write. You'd want me executed for = pretending I could do anything useful! Yet, for me to learn what I need = to, I need things to work well enough, just like the users I know who'd = rather swallow thumbtacks than write programs. I can think of no reason = I should refrain from making suggestions for improvement, if I treat = people right when I do it. Nobody here said that he or she had appointed Kirk to do all the work = folks want. Kirk would probably punch out anybody who tried to do that. = Ignorant as I am, however, I think I can tell that a number of people = on this list know enough to do the job, and maybe some of them will when = they have the time. If so, I'd bet the suggestions put here will be of = some help to them in deciding how best to use that time. If that = doesn't happen, well, then those of us who can't do the job, for = whatever reasons, will either endure the problems or look for a better = system. Al