From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from nfs.azboss.net ([206.124.164.2] helo=mail.azboss.net ident=root) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 195pui-000063-00 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:37:36 -0400 Received: from nu7i (gw.shandrow.com [206.124.184.73]) by mail.azboss.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h3GGYao17903 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:34:36 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c30436$76d87c30$6401a8c0@nu7i> From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: References: <007601c30373$d5bde460$6401a8c0@us.oracle.com> <20030416022333.GB31026@rednote.net> <20030416031814.GA10512@kitten.net.au> <003001c303c7$581c22c0$6401a8c0@nu7i> <20030416034819.GA10950@kitten.net.au> <20030416150836.GA885@rednote.net> <001601c3042e$91c5ec60$6401a8c0@nu7i> <20030416154534.GF885@rednote.net> Subject: Re: redHat advanced server 2.0 and speakup Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:37:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Janina, Actually, no, these aren't being portrayed as facts. Instead, there is a great deal of speculation resulting from such mistrust of RH's intentions. This results from the frustration several of us have experienced dealing with RH. When that happens, some admittedly unhealthy things tend to happen. Like it or not... That's how some of us feel about the issues... We're not as likely to sing the praises or say very nice things about our enemies. Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:45 AM Subject: Re: redHat advanced server 2.0 and speakup > This has nothing to do with trust. You don't make up things and state them as fact, when you have no knowledge of any such fact. The person who does > such things is untrustworthy. > > Hmmm, I guess it does have to do with trust, after all. Seems someone here can't be trusted to tell the truth. > > Darrell Shandrow writes: > > From: "Darrell Shandrow" > > > > Hi Janina, > > > > The simple fact of the matter is that RH has set up a level of mistrust with > > those of us who have either taken their certification courses or who > > advocate for those who have. Like it or not, RH's actions will be seen in > > the light (or darkness) of our experiences. > > > > > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > > A+, CCNA, Network+! > > Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i > > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janina Sajka" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 8:08 AM > > Subject: Re: redHat advanced server 2.0 and speakup > > > > > > > Stop making up things. > > > > > > You were fine until you wrote: > > > > > > Aaron Howell writes: > > > > > > > > The chances of something like Speakup, which isn't even up for > > consideration for inclusion in the main kernel yet > > > > > > You don't know that. So, why do you bother to assert such a thing? It's > > not even germane to this thread. > > > > > > What's with all this make believe? What need is it satisfying for you? > > > > > > I certainly understand that you might feel angry with RH over the way you > > were treated over your RCE. That makes a lot of sense. But, making things up > > > by way of some kind of revenge is just inappropriate behavior. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Director > Technology Research and Development > Governmental Relations Group > American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) > > Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup