From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.comcast.net ([24.153.64.2]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16levQ-00069d-00 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:46:24 -0500 Received: from cj2204215a (pcp706460pcs.alxndr01.va.comcast.net [68.50.5.81]) by mtaout45-01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Feb 6 2002)) with SMTP id <0GSZ00AP2M0JIJ@mtaout45-01.icomcast.net> for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:45:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:39:09 -0500 From: Amanda Lee Subject: Re: Computer Science To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca Message-id: <001901c1cbb1$709be780$6501a8c0@alxndr01.va.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Reply-To: Amanda Lee List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Amen! Richard, I miss it and would love to go back to coding and main= taining Assembler code again! Amanda Lee ----- Original Message ----- =46rom: "Richard Villa" To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Computer Science I wonder when the last time anyone did any real programming not just coding using a language like assembler. I don't believe anyone knows what programming is until they have to write in an assembly language. On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Johan Bergstr=F6m wrote: > In sweden the universities teach lisp/ada/c/c++ and other programmi= ng > languages. Not IDE's. At least the ones I know about. There are sep= arate > windows programming classes, at some places, which are specially fo= r > people who enjoy that kind of stuff, where they debug the windows k= ernel > using softice and stuff like that. They run most of their server in= a *nix > based enviroment. > > johbe > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Thomas Ward wrote: > > > Amanda so true. I am a CS student myself and I know exactly what = my college > > teaches. They teach you Visual Basic, html with Javascript, Visu= al C++, MS > > SQL, MS Access, and you get the point. > > Almost everything is now Microsoft this, and Microsoft that. In f= act all the > > computers in the CS labs have Windows NT on them. > > They use to offer Unix C programming courses, but I don't think t= hey do any > > more. Been a while since I stepped into a class room, and when I = went > > through they were just making the switch to MS everything. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Amanda Lee > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 9:36 AM > > Subject: Re: Computer Science > > > > > > > Nope, Unix, Mainframes aren't standard anymore. The college gr= ads we get > > > these days at Verizon have no clue what Unix or Mainframes are = all about. > > > Everything is taught on a Windows-based Platform. I believe JA= VA is > > > taught, probably Visual Basic, Maybe sometimes C Language but u= sually C > > > Plus Plus which was actually abandoned in the project I work on= for > > > straight C Language. > > > > > > I would think in the future though, there will be a change back= to at > > > least teaching Linux since it can run on a less expensive platf= orm. It's > > > pretty disgraceful how the content of Computer Sciences educati= on has been > > > degraded and these kids coming out have an ego bigger than life= and think > > > they can take on the World in a day! > > > > > > They really struggle when they can't understand how to program = and the > > > quality of code coming out is pretty awful. There is even this mentality > > > in the Corporate World which indicates that one can learn every= thing they > > > need to on the job and yet they can't figure out why there are= so many > > > problems with efficiency and the costs resulting from poor effi= ciency. > > > > > > Amanda Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 jwantz@hpcc2.hpcc.noaa.gov wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Chris, > > > > I'm not going to get involved in the "bookshare wars', but si= nce you > > were > > > > chastizing others on this list because most people use WINDOW= S and not > > > > linux, I think its only fair to point out that your computer = science > > > > department is very nonstandard. Though I am a meteorologist,= not a > > > > computer science person, I know many computer science student= s in the > > past > > > > and the present. Teaching WINDOWS programming is very nonsta= ndard. I > > > > would guess that at least 90 percent of the schools teach programming on > > a > > > > UNIX variant of some kind. In the past thre was a fair amoun= t of people > > > > using VMS. However, a lot of beginning C and C++ classes did= use > > > > Turbo/Borland. WINDOWS programming is much more difficult th= an UNIX > > > > programming, so I suppose you are to be congratulated for mak= ing it > > > > through such a tough curriculum. > > > > > > > > Jim Wantz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Speakup mailing list > > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speakup mailing list > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speakup mailing list > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > -- It is better to give then to receive. You don't believe me, just ask= a boxer. Richard _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup