From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from gscodenh01.cr.usgs.gov ([136.177.7.10]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DhtPf-0002Ux-00 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:11:55 -0400 Received: from PUNK ([130.118.172.119]) by gscodenh01.cr.usgs.gov (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.2) with SMTP id 2005061312112307-43675 ; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:11:23 -0600 Message-ID: <001601c57043$501636c0$77ac7682@azwaterDOM.wr.usgs.gov> From: "Sean McMahon" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." References: <200506081730.NAA10032@pacino.3wmail.com><001301c56c4f$7848f2b0$77ac7682@azwaterDOM.wr.usgs.gov><20050609232720.GC14179@rednote.net><4C68AD07-871A-42B6-AC64-0FABF45D5CF1@handsontechnologeyes.com><20050610003342.GD14179@rednote.net><20050610022132.GF14179@rednote.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:11:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on gscodenh01/SERVER/USGS/DOI(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at 06/13/2005 12:11:23, Serialize by Router on gscodenh01/SERVER/USGS/DOI(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at 06/13/2005 12:11:54, Serialize complete at 06/13/2005 12:11:54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: web browsing and section 508 under linux X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sean McMahon , "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:11:55 -0000 One clarification on this thread, 508 applies to governmental agencies and those which recieve federal funding. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Lewellen" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: Re: web browsing and section 508 under linux > > Go ahead, I am really interested in your opinion on this given you are > actively involved with some of the process. > It seems so unreasonable just from a majority standpoint. depending on who > you ask 80% of the blindness population is unemployed, and the cost of the > jfw setup, including all of the additional scripting you may have to pay for > is astronomical. add to this that the price of other products, window eyes, > windows-bridge are far mor reasonable, and require less scripting to achieve > a like affect, if not a better one. That is of course assuming you want > graphical at all. How many people even in that small 20% market are using > dos under those windows setups? > Likewise the Internet in general could be seen as a tool used by the average, > say that 80% as an door through which they can educate and expand their > professional options, much like a library. > Additionally, even governmental compliance works for the majority, with the > least common denominator serving as the rule. This should translate into > text, or text plus Javascript as with eLinks, or if graphics > are included into the most available, most cost efficient level that puts the > majority at a even point. JFW is hardly suitable as such a model. > This is why I find the stance of the freedom box people, and I just cannot > believe they did not want people to think of FS with that name, given how > inappropriate it is for a browser, when they choose not to make their product > work with lynx. Lynx is where the 80% of your market is starting, why not > give them the tools to appreciate your product and let them want to pay for > it because it works for them, then charge for the browser that is already not > working at the level of most of your market. > This is a bit of a tangent, but echos the same point. Given where the > audience is standing, it is unrealistic to make that gap wider. > By the way, indeed 508 is for the moment a governmental standard, but as the > first post in this thread illustrates, the private sector is likely to look > at the established standard before creating one of their own. > for example the folks stuck with faulty Microsoft products, even if they do > not do the job etc. > So do share your opinion here? > I have my own ideas, but welcome yours educated to be sure. > Karen > > >> > > > > >> > > > Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and > >> > > > Canada. > >> > > > Go to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >> > > > Speakup mailing list > >> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >> > > > Speakup mailing list > >> > > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> > > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > > >> > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) > >> > > janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org > >> > > > >> > > Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 > >> > > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC > >> > > http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com > >> > > > >> > > Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. > >> > > Go > >> > > to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. > >> > > > >> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> > > Speakup mailing list > >> > > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> > > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > >> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> > Speakup mailing list > >> > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) > >> janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org > >> > >> Janina Sajka Phone: +1.202.494.7040 > >> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com > >> > >> Bringing the Owasys 22C screenless cell phone to the U.S. and Canada. Go > >> to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Speakup mailing list > >> Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >> http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup