Re: installation of suse linux

["Kristoffer Gustafsson" <kg84@dreamwld.com>]

Hello!
When I used suse linux, yast and yast2 worked well with suse blinux, but 
when I tried it with brltty. no, not good at all.
I've got an old computer still with suse linux 7.2 installed, but can't use 
it, I've lost that braille display I used with it.
Now these days I prefer debian, I don't want to go back to suse again, I 
think.
/Kristoffer
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35@verizon.net>
To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: installation of suse linux


> Suse is intended to be a professional desktop operating system, or so  I 
> thought it was anyay. I personally would never use it, because of  its 
> resemblance to MS Windows0. I am taking this course next year  because it 
> is a requirement to graduate my school. Suse has a funky  package manager 
> called yast, which is another reason I choose never to  use suse. Novell 
> is extremely bad, and is putting it nicely, about  accessibility. It was a 
> struggle going through my novell netware course.
>
> HTH
> Cody
> On May 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>> What is supported, and what features does suse blinux have these days?
>> I've not tried it for a long time.
>> /Kristoffer
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" <churst35@verizon.net>
>> To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." 
>> <speakup@braille.uwo.ca
>> >
>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
>>
>>
>>> Hey Darragh,
>>>
>>>  I understand your wanting to work and improve accessibility and  not 
>>> live within your means, but right now for me and Novell, I am  not 
>>> having a very fun time, beeing as I am taking a timed course 2  days 
>>> until my netware oes exam. It looks as though I will be  renting a 
>>> braille display to run suse..my braillenote was not  detected 
>>> automatically. That is fine, whenever you get a chance to  seek more 
>>> information for me, it's greatly appreciated. I just  have had no luck 
>>> with any feedback and google hasn't been helpful  much either, but now 
>>> I will email marco to see if he can be of  some use in my findings. I 
>>> am not a programmer but I certainly  envy those who are. Math has never 
>>> been my strong point so I will  try to use what I have available to me. 
>>> If you know, will sbl work  even after suse is installed?
>>>
>>> Thanks for all help
>>> Cody
>>> On May 27, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Darragh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hay Cody,
>>>>
>>>> There's a few questions to get to there.
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, Blinux in OpenSuSE is under the project SBL.  This is 
>>>> managed by Marco Scambrax.  This primarily focuses on Braille   however 
>>>> he's done some good work on incorporating speech into a  lot  of the 
>>>> SBL functions however getting it installed isn't the  easiest  thing in 
>>>> theworld to do. Wll, not that it's difficult,  but the  documentation 
>>>> is very hard to come by if it even exists  at all! This  is certainly 
>>>> no reflection on Marco and the reasons  for this were  outlined in my 
>>>> previous mail.
>>>>
>>>> Speakup does not come with any of the OpenSuSE distributions or   their 
>>>> variants.  However,  have written some instructions for   getting 
>>>> Speakup compiled into the OpenSuSE kernel at 
>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp Look for the link on that page 
>>>> somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> If you have one of the supported Braille displays, SBL will work   very 
>>>> nicely for you right from the start of installation however   you'll 
>>>> need to a lot of searching to find out what they ar.  You   could also 
>>>> search for contact details for Marco Scambrax and  contact  him 
>>>> directly.  He's always very helpful.  There's is also  an SBL  mailing 
>>>> list but it's very low traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at http://lists.opensuse.org You'll find a lot of 
>>>> discussion lists there.
>>>>
>>>> Bryen, one of the users and community members that is very active 
>>>> around the lists has been pushing accessibility a lot for version   11 
>>>> I think his email address is suserocks@bryen.com or bryen@suserocks.com 
>>>> or something like that.  Again.  A bit of googling will help you   out 
>>>> there. Sorry I'm kind of vague.  Writing this before running  out  the 
>>>> door to work.
>>>>
>>>> Key presses.  Well, from memory, ....... na.  I'll have to go   through 
>>>> an installation and write them out for you.  I should get   time in a 
>>>> week or two if that's ok for you.
>>>> It's reasonably straight forward though.  At the boot prompt, the 
>>>> first option is boot from hard disk, the second is start install,   the 
>>>> third is start install with safe options and I cant remember   what the 
>>>> rest ar. Go down one to start install, press enter then   try using the 
>>>> alt and alt b buttons to move to the next and prior   screens.
>>>>
>>>> I don't choose a place to work based on it's accessibility instead  I 
>>>> try to bend my self or the accessibility to suit the work.
>>>> I try to aim to want to do something then work on a way to do it 
>>>> instead of finding something to do that is possible with the 
>>>> limitations of the assistive technology I have available.
>>>>
>>>> Make sense?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Darragh
>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>>>>> bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>>>>> Sent: 27 May 2008 22:16
>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>>> Subject: Re: installation of suse linux
>>>>>
>>>>> Darragh,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm unsure what version of Suse we are going to be using, but I  will
>>>>> guess suse enterprise. Does speakup/ssh still hold true for use
>>>>> enterprise? Does speakup come precompiled into suse? If you  would, 
>>>>> and
>>>>> i know this is a lot to answer, but can you give me a rundown of  what
>>>>> I will have to do in order to start installing. I mean, boot 
>>>>> commands,
>>>>> key presses, etc. I'm probably just going to tell my teacher I will
>>>>> need another machine to do this on. In real life, this will be on a
>>>>> real box, not vmware, which is my biggest nightmare for next year.
>>>>> I've never really took a liking to Novell anyway because of its
>>>>> techniques and layout. I find it extremely complex and confusing.  I 
>>>>> am
>>>>> going to be taking a Novell OES exam on Friday and that course  wasn't
>>>>> pleasant to do. I do think Novell needs to use these other 
>>>>> foundations
>>>>> and projects as mentors for accessibility but I can't make water  into
>>>>> wine, so my guess is that I will not be seeing accessibility soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you perhaps give me a little insight on what in the world  blinux
>>>>> is all about. Should I just give up on even trying to learn or  use 
>>>>> it?
>>>>> I've written 2 emails to the blinux list, and have not even once 
>>>>> goten
>>>>> a response you can google my emails and you will find that I have  no
>>>>> gotten any responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I think my tech instructor would benefit from this
>>>>> information, since you would know more than I have, which these 
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I may ask, why did you choose Novell as a place to be hired?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all the help you can give, and I will be in touch  with 
>>>>> him.
>>>>> On May 26, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Darragh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only way you'll be able to do an independent installation of
>>>>>> OpenSuSE, Sles or Sled is via SSH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you get OpenSuSE installed, You'll struggle against the
>>>>>> accessibility of YaST, the system tool and package manager and  even
>>>>>> in Gnome, you'll find the weirdest and most stupid bugs because
>>>>>> although they have some great developers in ovell, they just don't
>>>>>> have the resources for Accessibility.  However, one good thing  they
>>>>>> have done is employe one person to work on accessibility full  time.
>>>>>> Marco Scambrax is his name and he's a very intelligent developer.
>>>>>> He's unfortunately fighting against the rest of the company so his
>>>>>> efferts do not reflect the end result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are two versions of YaST.  The GTK+ and the NGurses  versions.
>>>>>> Speakup will work to a reasonable degree in the text based version
>>>>>> but it's not great.  Mainly because there are a lot of different
>>>>>> controls for it to handle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the graphical version, they've really come on in leaps and  bounds
>>>>>> over the last few years thanks to the GTK+ version released in  10.3
>>>>>> however they've a very long way to come.  The GTK+ version was not
>>>>>> tested well with accessibility so I've ofund dozens of errors in  it
>>>>>> that are all reported in bugzilla.  Some of these have been fixed
>>>>>> and distributed to 10.3 via online update however a lot have been
>>>>>> pushed forward to 11.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaking of Eleven, OpenSuSE has a lot to live up to so one of the
>>>>>> first things I'll do is run it through it's paces but although I'm
>>>>>> optimistic, in reality, I know that there will still be a lot of
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry I cant be more positive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Darragh
>>>>>> www.digitaldarragh.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca [mailto:speakup-
>>>>>>> bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Cody Hurst
>>>>>>> Sent: 26 May 2008 19:16
>>>>>>> To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.
>>>>>>> Subject: installation of suse linux
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next year I am going to be using suse for a Linux course, towards
>>>>>>> the second part of the ear. I have no other way of accessing the
>>>>>>> install, hwoever when a friend booted the first cd of the cd  set he
>>>>>>> had seen some text scroll by that looked as if they were loading
>>>>>>> braille modules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have read about blinux, however the writings were old, and when
>>>>>>> trying to follow the instructions, they did not work. My only 
>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>> is speakup, and a BNS. Is there a way that speakup can be  included
>>>>>>> relatively soon so that I can do this course? This would not  be 
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> for me, but anyone wishing to install a professional grade OS  in 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> field. This would greatly enhace accessibility for these
>>>>> individuals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please write back to me on or off list, describing what I can do
>>>>>>> otherwise if this is not possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cody
>>>>>>>
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