From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.204]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1FpF3P-0002vz-00 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:47:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 56725 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 01:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jimPersonal1) (jimgrims@pacbell.net@69.234.179.102 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 01:47:11 -0000 From: "Jim Grimsby JR." To: "'Speakup is a screen review system for Linux.'" Subject: RE: getting orca included in gnome 2.16 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:46:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c68cf8$f6ee0590$230110ac@jimPersonal1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20060610232444.GN2259@rednote.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8rc1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:47:51 -0000 Hi well if there was real support for access then only accessible = programs would be included in the one of a kind. Also accessibility would be enabled by default. =20 Also orca would be the one screen reader at this time for orca from what = I understand and read supports more devices working as it does with emacs servers as well as gnome speech. Just my thoughts. Jim Grimsby JR. Msn: jim.grimsby@att.net e-mail: jimgrims@pacbell.net Skype: jim.grimsby -----Original Message----- From: speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca = [mailto:speakup-bounces@braille.uwo.ca] On Behalf Of Janina Sajka Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:25 PM To: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. Subject: Re: getting orca included in gnome 2.16 OK. My misunderstanding, so my apologies. I not sure I agree with only = one of each category as a policy, but that certainly isn't a discriminatory policy, so it's a very different matter. Holding back yelp over a11y is certainly a good indicator, as well. But, = we can't extrapolate from that that the entire desktop is vetted for a11y. Certainly not epiphany or abi-word, right? That rather makes me wonder = what the basis of this "only one of a kind" policy is. However, it's clear my sense of injustice was unwarranted. Janina Justin Ekis writes: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2006 at 12:21:54PM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > Are they also prepared to have only one web browser? ONly one media=20 > > player? ONly one word processor? Only one email client application? > If I understand correctly, they are talking about inclusion in the > official gnome.org desktop release. and that is exactly the situation. = > epiphany is the web browser, totem is the media player, gedit is the=20 > word processor and evolution is the email application.=20 > Look at ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.14/2.14.2/sources >=20 > > The day may come when there is but one screen reader on the GUI=20 > > desktop, but I rather doubt it given that both Gnome and KDE are=20 > > likely to remain with us. However, to proactively restrict inclusion = > > while all manner of other (sometimes only half-baked) applications=20 > > are included rankles. > They said the GNOME desktop. The GNOME desktop release seems to have > exactly one of everything and I doubt any of it is half baked. If it's = > not in that directory it's not included in the official desktop. >=20 > > Frankly, it's an insult. This kind of grudging support for=20 > >accessibility needs to be stopped right now. In fact, it's a stretch = > >to even call it "support." From my reading of the mailing lists, the=20 > >new version of yelp was > held out of at least one and I think two desktop releases because it > had accessibility regressions. That sounds like support to me. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca=20 > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup --=20 Janina Sajka Phone: +1.240.715.1272 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@braille.uwo.ca = http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup --=20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006 =20 --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006 =20