From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1HKj6g-0002W4-00 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:41:38 -0500 Received: from ALBERTLC7SN0ZA ([68.163.231.97]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JDX00G9LTP888D9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for speakup@braille.uwo.ca; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:41:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:43:50 -0500 From: "Albert E. Sten-Clanton" Subject: Re: An official slightly off topic anouncement To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Message-id: <000701c7579c$181d3330$6405a8c0@ALBERTLC7SN0ZA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <027901c7575c$3d26cff0$4ba65c90@vv507j> <20070223175029.GA26019@localhost.localdomain> X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Id: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:41:38 -0000 I am indeed trying to learn Linux because of Microshaft and its non-free = software buddies. This partly arises from my notions of freedom, which = indeed have been influence by the "free software" movement, as I = understand it. Derivative, perhaps, but also important in its own = right, is the belief that, if I work long and hard enough, I can create = the software I want, and need not settle for what's out there. That said, I do not regard it as a virtue that using Linux may separate = "the men from the boys." In order for Linux or any other "free = software" to do the job that Richard Stallman and his ilk have in mind, = it will have to become friendly to the user whose love of technical = knowledge analogizes to the difference between the temperature of liquid = helium and absolute zero. More precisely, there will have to be that = choice, while propellerheads and propellerhead wannabees retain the = option of doing all sorts of esoteric stuff. My impression is that = Fedora, Ubuntu, and sSuse are aiming somewhat in that direction, and = there may be other variants. For my part, I only wish this apparently = increasing friendliness was at least optionally text-based: I gather = that, even with best efforts by Willie Walker and others, blind people = still can make better use of the Windblows gui than any Linux gui. Just my notions! Al ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Gregory Nowak" To: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." = Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: Re: An official slightly off topic anouncement > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > Some people seem to be misinterpreting my original comments. The point > I was getting at, was that people were switching from windblows to > gnu/linux because they got tired of microsoft, and all that goes along > with that, and not because gnu/linux is easier to use then > windblows. From a couple of messages I've seen on this list, some > people seem to have taken easier, and substituted it with > "better". Just because windows is easier to use, doesn't mean that > it's better in my opinion. However, that is also just my opinion. As > has been pointed out, the ability to effectively use gnu/linux > separates the men from the boys. As we've also seen on this list in > the past, more then once, some people after struggling with gnu/linux > for a long while decide that windows is better for them, and that they > would rather pay out to all the greedy corporations, and use > windows exclusively. So, the question of which is better is a personal = opinion, > and I will not argue that point. Now, if the word superior had been > introduced into this discussion, I would definitely argue that in > favor of gnu/linux. =20 >=20 > As I've said though, I believe personally that gnu/linux is the better > os, and if I have an option of doing something in either windows or > gnu/linux with equal accessibility, I'll choose to do it in gnu/linux > hands down. >=20 > Greg >=20 >=20 > - --=20 > web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org > gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc > skype: gregn1 > (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) >=20 > - -- > Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >=20 > iD8DBQFF3yll7s9z/XlyUyARAlp2AJ0RFg1fTWKPSfVBsFZoQBlvH/PZwQCfVar4 > JYvxevPJ6YZEcQGsdxKFHS4=3D > =3Doas7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup >=20 >=20 > --=20 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 >=20 >