From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from nfs.azboss.net ([206.124.164.2] helo=mail.azboss.net ident=root) by speech.braille.uwo.ca with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17tCfa-0004fR-00 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:45:30 -0400 Received: from NU7I (gw.shandrow.com [206.124.184.73]) by mail.azboss.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id g8MJimc14108 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:44:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c26270$9bbdc680$0201a8c0@NU7I> From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: References: <003a01c261b7$0fe5e7f0$0201a8c0@NU7I> <007101c26112$569f9600$2aa5a6d8@scottscomp> <15756.19933.933781.632380%akp@eznet.net> <003a01c261b7$0fe5e7f0$0201a8c0@NU7I> <5.1.0.14.0.20020921213138.00a6bf10@postoffice.pacbell.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20020922121958.00a7c918@postoffice.pacbell.net> Subject: Re: NFB Net goes linux! Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:45:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca Errors-To: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca X-BeenThere: speakup@braille.uwo.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Speakup is a screen review system for Linux. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Yes; certainly. When you call any business or organization requesting information about their technology, ask for someone in their information technology (IT) department. That should get you some results. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bear in SFO" To: Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: Re: NFB Net goes linux! > > Do you know who I should talk to? > > At 06:42 AM 9/22/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >you have not spoken to the right people. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bear in SFO" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 12:33 AM > >Subject: Re: NFB Net goes linux! > > > > > > > >Let me assure you, ACB have no clue what they are doing with their linux > >box either - at least when I call them and ask about their server, the > >answer I got was "well, it just sits here" > > > >--David > > > >At 08:19 PM 9/21/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >Hi Darrell, > > > > > >That's very true, Darrell, but what I'm objecting to is that the > > >original message in the thread stated that telnet and the BBS features > > >of their system would no longer be available. This, I felt was short > > >changing some of their members, and I thought it was too bad. I > > >wanted the techies to be more knowledgeable so that their members > > >wouldn't have to give up telnet or BBS access. > > > > > > No, I wasn't suggesting that the end users start using Linux > > >out of the box, not at all. What I was hoping to see was some > > >evidence that they wanted to keep things as accessible as possible and > > >keep the change-over as seamless as possible, thereby not losing any > > >of their members. Apparently, losing membership access is not > > >important. I think that is a shame, especially when it is a consumer > > >based organization. the offhand "we're sorry if this inconveniences > > >anyone..." is a callous and a noncaring way to treat people, any > > >people, and especially those who count on that particular means of > > >access. > > > > > >For some, it may be their only way to talk with others and to learn > > >about the world outside their own surcomscribed lives. I think that > > >the techies who run the machines at that organization would be > > >astonished at the kinds of people who access their services and if > > >they knew more about their constituency, they might not take such a > > >cavalier attitude toward scrapping the telnet and the bbs services. > > > > > >I don't access their services, but as a netizen of some years, and one > > >familiar with online communities, I can safely say that this BBS, > > >whatever it is, is an online community and there are probably members > > >of that community who need it. They may not be the vocal members, > > >they are probably the lurkers in the background who come on, take part > > >in the community and consider it to be their home. There may be > > >others for whom this online community makes the difference between > > >sanity and not. > > > > > >One doesn't destroy a community thoughtlessly with a paragraph or two > > >couched in pretty phrases, not unless an alternative is offered. > > > > > >that is why the topic came up. That is why I started this discussion. > > >That is why I wrote to the original poster of the forwarded msg to ask > > >about SSH to ask about alternatives. I repeat. You can not destroy a > > >community thoughtlessly. > > > > > >Ann P. > > > > > >sy>>>>> "Darrell" == Darrell Shandrow writes: > > > > > > Darrell> Hi Ann, Keep in mind that Linux is actually not > > > Darrell> appropriate for most users, especially the command-line > > > Darrell> interface. Most people want their technology to be > > > Darrell> simple to operate. They're not interested in how the > > > Darrell> computer works or anything of that sort. They just want > > > Darrell> to use it to get work done! > > > > > > > > >-- > > > Ann K. Parsons > > >email: akp@eznet.net ICQ Number: 33006854 > > >WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp > > >"All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are > >lost." JRRT > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Speakup mailing list > > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Speakup mailing list > >Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > >http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup > > > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@braille.uwo.ca > http://speech.braille.uwo.ca/mailman/listinfo/speakup