Re: Website Development by Blind People

["Victor Tsaran" <tsar@sylaba.poznan.pl>]

Hi, Rich!
It's an ongoing problem. First of all, I suggest you play a little bit with
style sheets. This will make sure that you don't become a victim of
different browser settings. Second, get an opinion of a professional, if
possible. Don't trust everything sighted people may tell you. In many cases
they themselves have little understanding of what looks good and what
doesn't. Thirdly, visual outlook of your website depends on what you host on
it. Of course, an advice from sighted person is necessary, but be careful
not to become a victim of tasteless opinions.
Best regards,
Vic

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Caloggero" <rjc@MIT.EDU>
To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>; <bashonline@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 7:11 PM
Subject: Website Development by Blind People


> Well, I've just learned how to build apache with php and learned php (the
> language) well enough to be able to develop with it. Now the problem, have
> any of you blind web developers out there (and I'm sure there are more
than
> a few) managed to appease the sighted masses cries of "make it look good
or
> else". <smile> Ok, so I'm overstating a bit... But really, can anyone
share
> any pointers or experiences with me of how to do this? Does this mean
simply
> choosing the correct fonts and colors for various parts of the site? i
have
> a very basic layout that a sighted collegue designed for me, but then I
> bring it to another sighted co-worker and he says it looks terrible. I
guess
> for one thing, they need to be very specific about what they don't like
and
> what they want, but this is difficult for nontechnical artist types. I
don't
> know, guess I'm just discouraged. I feel I have the technical knowledge of
> how to build the site and make it do the right things, but that doesn't
seem
> to be enough. It feels to me like the old problem of, well you hire a
blind
> person to do a job, but he inevitably needs sighted assistance, so then
your
> hiring two people to do the job of one which begs the question of why did
> you hire that blind person in the first place!
>
>                     Mostly Letting off Steam,
>                     Rich
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gregory Nowak" <gnowak1@uic.edu>
> To: <speakup@braille.uwo.ca>
> Sent: 07 December, 2001 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: new linux user
>
>
> Read below.
> Greg
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 10:02:00PM -0000, Georgina wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Could you explain what you mean?
> >
> > "As far as I know, zipslack is still unfortunately at 7.1,"
> >
> > Is it?
> I meant to say zipspeak, not zipslack. Sorry about that.
> >
> > "not expect a new user to know how to modify zipslack into zipspeak."
> >
> > You may be right but should we judge?  What is necessary to use a
speaking
> > version of ZipSlack 8?
> A kernel with speakup, a speakup keymap, a differently configured
> lynx.cfg, and probably some other stuff that I'm forgetting about.
>
> >
> > Gena
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Gregory Nowak
> > Sent: 07 December 2001 15:42
> > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > Subject: Re: new linux user
> >
> >
> > As far as I know, zipslack is still unfortuneately at 7.1,
> > which means he wouldn't get the latest zipslack.
> > Yes, I know he could get zipslack 8.0 and modify it, but I would
> > not expect a new user to know how to modify zipslack into zipspeak.
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:41:06PM -0000, Georgina wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I wondered if you'd like to consider looking at a Linux distribution
> that
> > > will install itself in a folder of your Windows disk.  The advantage
is
> > that
> > > you don't have to bother with adding disks, or partitioning.  Its
ideal
> as
> > a
> > > beginning.  You'll need about 100Mb of disk space for the
distribution.
> > The
> > > speaking version is called ZipSpeak which is a speaking version of
> > ZipSlack.
> > > You'll need one of the supported synthesisers.  You can read about the
> > > ZipSlack at:
> > >
> > > www.slackware.com
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca
> > > [mailto:speakup-admin@braille.uwo.ca]On Behalf Of Jason Symes
> > > Sent: 07 December 2001 02:29
> > > To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca
> > > Subject: new linux user
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm considering purchasing a second hard drive to install some version
> of
> > > Linux on, while leaving my Win98SE as my main os. I've never installed
a
> > > second os on one system, and I've had vary little experience with
other
> > > os's from Windows. I heard about Speak Out from another list, and they
> > > recommended that I contact this list to get some help.
> > >
> > > I would appreciate any recommendations that any of you can make.
> > >
> > > Jason Symes
> > >
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