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Hi all,

I understand why the names and e-mail addresses were stripped to prevent
spams...
Note that I'm not arguing the reasoning behind that move.

With this current set up, it is impossible to know to whom I'm replying to.

Some other lists that I'm using including lists from this domain do not
have this restriction and I would like to see if there is not an
alternative/possibility to bring back name and e-mail from senders while
maintaining the viability of this list?

--
John Doe

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John wrote:
> I would like to see if there is not an alternative/possibility
> to bring back name and e-mail from senders while maintaining the
> viability of this list?

Not getting the e-mail would be not too much a problem, but not having
the name is really problematic for following discussions, indeed.

Samuel

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Samuel wrote:
> John wrote:
> > I would like to see if there is not an alternative/possibility
> > to bring back name and e-mail from senders while maintaining the
> > viability of this list?
> 
> Not getting the e-mail would be not too much a problem, but not having
> the name is really problematic for following discussions, indeed.
 
I agree. If we're already hacking the From: field, how about
including the original name e.g
JustSomeGuy via Blinux <blinux-list at redhat.com> ?

If the MTA is postfix, it could be just the matter
of writing a regex to do this. (Raises hand to volunteer)

Joel

-- 
Joel Roth

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Hello,

and from an accessibility perspective (from my point of view) it would
be nice, if in the subject field could be written blindlinux or
something like that, so an average blind user could quickly determine,
what is and from where is a mail, simular like majority of other
mailing lists have been set.

hope, that I was clear, thanks.

best regards,
Jo?ef

2022-08-16 0:35 GMT+02.00, Linux for blind general discussion
<blinux-list at redhat.com>:
> Samuel wrote:
>> John wrote:
>> > I would like to see if there is not an alternative/possibility
>> > to bring back name and e-mail from senders while maintaining the
>> > viability of this list?
>>
>> Not getting the e-mail would be not too much a problem, but not having
>> the name is really problematic for following discussions, indeed.
>
> I agree. If we're already hacking the From: field, how about
> including the original name e.g
> JustSomeGuy via Blinux <blinux-list at redhat.com> ?
>
> If the MTA is postfix, it could be just the matter
> of writing a regex to do this. (Raises hand to volunteer)
>
> Joel
>
> --
> Joel Roth
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

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That's why I always end my message with my name, though only my first.


Al


On 8/15/22 15:40, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> John wrote:
>> I would like to see if there is not an alternative/possibility
>> to bring back name and e-mail from senders while maintaining the
>> viability of this list?
> Not getting the e-mail would be not too much a problem, but not having
> the name is really problematic for following discussions, indeed.
>
> Samuel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

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> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:35, Joel Roth wrote:
> 
> ... If we're already hacking the From: field, how about
> including the original name e.g
> JustSomeGuy via Blinux <blinux-list at redhat.com> ?
> 
> If the MTA is postfix, it could be just the matter
> of writing a regex to do this. (Raises hand to volunteer)

This is a great offer; I hope you can get permission to do it.
FYI, I think the version is fairly old, so your mileage may vary...

- Rich Morin

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Tim here.

Even if the mailing-list doesn't, if you use a powerful-enough mail user-agent like mutt/neomutt, you can mung the subject field semi-arbitrarily using regular-expressions as detailed at

  http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#display-munging
  https://neomutt.org/guide/advancedusage#12-%C2%A0display-munging

I'm not sure if you can mung them conditionally such as based on the sender or mailing-list, but I use it to strip out a lot of junk from mailing-list subject-lines.

-Tim

On 2022-08-16 00:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> and from an accessibility perspective (from my point of view) it would
> be nice, if in the subject field could be written blindlinux or
> something like that, so an average blind user could quickly determine,
> what is and from where is a mail, simular like majority of other
> mailing lists have been set.
> 
> hope, that I was clear, thanks.
> 
> best regards,
> Jo??ef

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Just in this thread, I've received messages with signatures such as "Al", "Joel Roth", "Jo?ef", "Samuel", and "Tim".  Although I appreciate the fact that the messages are signed, I'd like to point out that first names are hardly unique.  So, one could easily get confused as to _which_ "Al" was sending the message.  So, I always try to include my last name, as well.

- Rich Morin

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On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 04:02:18PM -0700, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 2022, at 15:35, Joel Roth wrote:
>> 
>> ... If we're already hacking the From: field, how about
>> including the original name e.g
>> JustSomeGuy via Blinux <blinux-list at redhat.com> ?
>> 
>> If the MTA is postfix, it could be just the matter
>> of writing a regex to do this. (Raises hand to volunteer)
>
>This is a great offer; I hope you can get permission to do it.
>FYI, I think the version is fairly old, so your mileage may vary...

IIRC the problem is the old mailman version that caused the settings of the 
list to be how they are currently. Newer versions of mailman have better 
spam fighting config options...

So how about moving the list to a system where a newer mailman is running?

I host three mailman servers and it would be no problem to move the list 
over there...

Cheers,

  Schoepp

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This list is essentially dead to me from 2017 onward, due to the sender
info masking.  I could be down with stripping the email address, but
stripping the name makes conversation very difficult.

While I'm here, I'll plug my own mailing list, discuss at blvuug.org.
BLVUUG is the Blind and Low Vision Unix Users' Group.

-- Chris

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That's a point.? I think I'm the only Al here at the moment, but that 
was never my thinking.? I always sign my first name to messages, but 
except for here, those message should include my name in the "from" 
field.? I think Kyle, Samuel, and Karen, among others, do the same 
here.? As with paper letters of the old days, I tend to use my full name 
when I need to be more formal, or when writing to a stranger about 
something.


Al Sten-Clanton


On 8/15/22 20:33, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Just in this thread, I've received messages with signatures such as "Al", "Joel Roth", "Jo?ef", "Samuel", and "Tim".  Although I appreciate the fact that the messages are signed, I'd like to point out that first names are hardly unique.  So, one could easily get confused as to _which_ "Al" was sending the message.  So, I always try to include my last name, as well.
>
> - Rich Morin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

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I've always just signed my first name in most places. But as far as I 
know, I'm one of only two Kyles who would be on this list, and I tend to 
use the tilde (~) attribution character before my name, something I 
picked up years ago from one of my social media friends that just kinda 
stuck. Until recent changes to speech-dispatcher, my signature always 
said "tilde Kyle," but that seems no longer to work since a few months.

~Kyle

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For what its worth, Kyle's signature is still read  "tilde Kyle" on my end...

Also, I can't say I've ever had much trouble following conversations
since the list was anonymized... Then again, maybe its because I often
don't pay attention to screen names even on the mailing lists I'm on
that aren't anonymized and because I'm used to meatspace conversations
where I have no idea who most of the people I'm talking to are(e.g.
class discussions in college where I don't know any of my classmates
names or one of my housemates having friends/neighbors over whose
names I can't remember if they were ever introduced to me, or striking
up a conversation with strangers at a social function).

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Hi!
I am actually not disturbed about this issue either.
I mostly just read what interests me and skip the rest.
/Anders Holmberg.

> 16 aug. 2022 kl. 16:45 skrev Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
> 
> For what its worth, Kyle's signature is still read  "tilde Kyle" on my end...
> 
> Also, I can't say I've ever had much trouble following conversations
> since the list was anonymized... Then again, maybe its because I often
> don't pay attention to screen names even on the mailing lists I'm on
> that aren't anonymized and because I'm used to meatspace conversations
> where I have no idea who most of the people I'm talking to are(e.g.
> class discussions in college where I don't know any of my classmates
> names or one of my housemates having friends/neighbors over whose
> names I can't remember if they were ever introduced to me, or striking
> up a conversation with strangers at a social function).
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> 

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Nope, reads as tildeKyle? here with the latest things in Arch though so 
not sure what happened with some setups to

That being said, I do feel like people have distinct posting styles. I 
absolutely hate the overly formal style some blind people do, e.g.


Hello

This is my example


Yours kindly
Blind Person

You aren't writing a letter of recommendation, you're not applying for a 
job or writing to your bank, landlord, etc. You're replying to some 
random Joe or Jane Schmoe on the interwebs, on a mailing list, who 
isn't, 99.8% of the time, super important or worth getting formal over. 
Just make your point and send the message IMHO


On 8/16/22 15:17, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I've always just signed my first name in most places. But as far as I 
> know, I'm one of only two Kyles who would be on this list, and I tend 
> to use the tilde (~) attribution character before my name, something I 
> picked up years ago from one of my social media friends that just 
> kinda stuck. Until recent changes to speech-dispatcher, my signature 
> always said "tilde Kyle," but that seems no longer to work since a few 
> months.
>
> ~Kyle
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

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I am a bit guilty of the more formal style of writing myself. It comes with being a High Functioning autistic on top of also being Blind.

That being said, I tend to type the same way I speak, which can sometimes put people off. It makes me sound a bit like a know it all. Anyway, that is now out of the way.

I haven?t checked to see which MTA this list is using, however, that can be easily ascertained by looking at the raw source for the emails. I think it is still up to RedHat how they handle this as I think they are the ones still hosting this list. Now, if they have updated the MTA since the inception of this list, there might actually be a feature that allows for the munging of the email address itself while leaving the first name, last name field alone. Hopefully, if there is an MTA admin on here, they might be able to inform us if this is possible.

-Eric
>From the Central Offices of the Technomage Guild, Network tools and research Dept.


> On Aug 16, 2022, at 10:41 AM, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> Nope, reads as tildeKyle  here with the latest things in Arch though so not sure what happened with some setups to
> 
> That being said, I do feel like people have distinct posting styles. I absolutely hate the overly formal style some blind people do, e.g.
> 
> 
> Hello
> 
> This is my example
> 
> 
> Yours kindly
> Blind Person
> 
> You aren't writing a letter of recommendation, you're not applying for a job or writing to your bank, landlord, etc. You're replying to some random Joe or Jane Schmoe on the interwebs, on a mailing list, who isn't, 99.8% of the time, super important or worth getting formal over. Just make your point and send the message IMHO
> 
> 
> On 8/16/22 15:17, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> I've always just signed my first name in most places. But as far as I know, I'm one of only two Kyles who would be on this list, and I tend to use the tilde (~) attribution character before my name, something I picked up years ago from one of my social media friends that just kinda stuck. Until recent changes to speech-dispatcher, my signature always said "tilde Kyle," but that seems no longer to work since a few months.
>> 
>> ~Kyle
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list at redhat.com
>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Blinux-list at redhat.com
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