From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: blinux-list at redhat.com (Linux for blind general discussion) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 18:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: <1e623296-a020-b22d-52cc-77e3a01c2f61@pobox.com> <871qtkrs03.fsf@zamazal.org> <02e001d8af3c$0d4cdfb0$80ffa8c0@Win7VM> <02fe01d8af46$46cde5e0$80ffa8c0@Win7VM> Message-ID: List-Id: Really? that would be a second sale as last information I had when gw micro was failing, an umbrella group of companies were managing the products. On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Jude DaShiell here, the Wufrug Group I think from Kuwait bought out FS. > By now, Wufrug Group may have sold FS to another corporation for all I > know. > > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote: > >> Well since Orca seems to work on so many distros, I don't know why FS would >> not be able to do the same. >> If Jaws users could switch into Linux, it would be a real game changer, and >> I think with lots more Blind Linux users, we would start seeing >> accessibility in Linux not being a second thought. >> Glenn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karen Lewellen" >> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" >> Cc: ; "Milan Zamazal" ; >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 1:47 PM >> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd) >> >> >> Well technically freedom scientific does not exist any longer, being bought >> by another company. >> Still, I can respect why they, or nvda have not created their tools for >> Linux. >> That is because as I understand it, Linux is quite like clay. You can >> mold a distribution into almost anything. there are various >> personifications of the system, all sorts of ways and changes and options >> for creativity. >> however adaptive tools are often extensions of physical characteristics, >> hands, eyes, ears, brains, combinations of these. >> To build solid assistive tools one must have a solid foundation as it >> were. that is part of why there have needed to be so few Apple efforts at >> inclusion, they created with, and then created in-house adaptive tools >> for various populations that were built into the system. >> Although Microsoft did not bother until much later, in theory at least, the >> consistency of windows is what makes it possible for freedom or the former >> gw micro or nvda to create something that can in theory work. >> Floor for the furniture is somewhat solid. >> Just my thoughts, >> >> >> >> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote: >> >>> I would like to see Freedom Scientific make a Jaws For Linux. >>> JFL >>> I'd certainly pay the yearly rental fee for it, and it would bring many >>> more >>> users into Linux. >>> FS could, with its resources, possibly make it more robust than Orca. >>> >>> Glenn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Milan Zamazal" >>> To: >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 12:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd) >>> >>> >>>>>>>> "KL" == Karen Lewellen writes: >>> >>> KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual qualifications, and >>> KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as if he >>> KL> defines Linux usage for everyone. That attitude is dangerous, >>> KL> because he is educating those outside of the accessibility >>> KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is factual. he has >>> KL> to be expert, it is his job. >>> >>> Hi Karen, >>> >>> I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and qualifications. I >>> also know first hand that he is open to constructive feedback and I >>> believe he?d be happy to be corrected about possible technical >>> inaccuracies in the interview. It may be also a good opportunity to >>> find out what?s possibly missing in making anybody better informed. >>> >>> As for ?absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced?, what >>> reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more standard desktop >>> with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a common blind user >>> who needs to use a fully working web browser, to read and process text >>> documents, to be compatible with other computer users, etc.? >>> >>> And let?s be realistic. We celebrate every single developer hired to >>> improve accessibility. This tells something about the state of the >>> matters. We cannot expect that a single person will fix all the kinds >>> of accessibility problems in all the environments. Lukas works at his >>> job focusing on certain areas currently seen there as urgent ones and I >>> appreciate this opportunity. Anybody else seeing a need to work on >>> other areas is welcome to contribute to whatever sees fit, as I do. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Milan >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > >