From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: blinux-list at redhat.com (Linux for blind general discussion) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 19:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd) In-Reply-To: <87o7wnq59r.fsf@zamazal.org> References: <1e623296-a020-b22d-52cc-77e3a01c2f61@pobox.com> <871qtkrs03.fsf@zamazal.org> <87o7wnq59r.fsf@zamazal.org> Message-ID: List-Id: And as I said from the outset, I am far more concerned with how this article makes accessibility, and Red Hat commitment to accessibility appear to the public. A claim to having authority, when stating one knows nothing about how access can be provided to various populations equally deserving is concerning. even in the article comments an individual outlined a need, that they did not anticipate being met because Fedora was creating a "blindness" program. If your associate leads with stated limits, yet does not indicate he plans to address them, inclusion on this platform for all who seek it seems far from likely. I do agree on the forum though. Had comment snot been closed by the time I got the article, and I been in a position to do so, I might have raised them on the spot. On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Milan Zamazal wrote: >>>>>> "KL" == Karen Lewellen writes: > > KL> may I ask from where he obtained his software engineering > KL> degree? Studied computer science? Perhaps disability studies? > KL> there are certainly scores of disabled individuals with these > KL> various levels of qualification..even who are Linux users. The > KL> interview did not document a single one, outside of his > KL> experiencing blindness..which is not going to insure he creates > KL> an accessible platform for fedora since access refers to several > KL> populations. and he states he knows nothing about those. > > I have already said regarding this what I felt was needed and I don?t > find appropriate continuing that discussion here. I?d suggest focusing > on how to improve free software accessibility instead. > > If anybody cares about Fedora accessibility, there is always opportunity > to help by providing fixes to reported bugs, giving technical advice or > filing bugs on not yet reported issues. All of these is needed, it?s > sometimes difficult to move on with some issues and to get any help. > OTOH trying to demotivate people who work on accessibility is certainly > not helpful. > > Regards, > Milan > > KL> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, Milan Zamazal wrote: > > >>>>>>> "KL" == Karen Lewellen writes: > >> > KL> What bothers me most are his lack of actual qualifications, and > KL> absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as if he > KL> defines Linux usage for everyone. That attitude is dangerous, > KL> because he is educating those outside of the accessibility > KL> experiences, who will believe his ignorance is factual. he has > KL> to be expert, it is his job. > >> > >> Hi Karen, > >> > >> I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and > >> qualifications. I also know first hand that he is open to > >> constructive feedback and I believe he?d be happy to be corrected > >> about possible technical inaccuracies in the interview. It may > >> be also a good opportunity to find out what?s possibly missing in > >> making anybody better informed. > >> > >> As for ?absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced?, what > >> reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more standard > >> desktop with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a > >> common blind user who needs to use a fully working web browser, > >> to read and process text documents, to be compatible with other > >> computer users, etc.? > >> > >> And let?s be realistic. We celebrate every single developer > >> hired to improve accessibility. This tells something about the > >> state of the matters. We cannot expect that a single person will > >> fix all the kinds of accessibility problems in all the > >> environments. Lukas works at his job focusing on certain areas > >> currently seen there as urgent ones and I appreciate this > >> opportunity. Anybody else seeing a need to work on other areas > >> is welcome to contribute to whatever sees fit, as I do. > >> > >> Regards, Milan > >> > >> > >> > >