I3wm, any progress?

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So, I was told the other week I3 works with Orca.

Anyone had any luck with getting i3 to work with Orca up till now? I 
mean, if it can be made to work, it'd suit my laptop more than a full 
fledged desktop. So I'm stil curious on this

I3wm, any progress?

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I'd be interested in this subject as well

On 7/9/2022 11:54 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> So, I was told the other week I3 works with Orca.
>
> Anyone had any luck with getting i3 to work with Orca up till now? I 
> mean, if it can be made to work, it'd suit my laptop more than a full 
> fledged desktop. So I'm stil curious on this
>
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Hi,

Yes, I use I3WM as my daily driver on Arch Linux. The trick with being
productive with I3 is to configure its config file (mine is in
~/.config/i3/config).

The manual is straightforward. Since I do not do the taskbar checking,
that is where you may have problems for checking notifications and
battery status etc.

Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> writes:

> So, I was told the other week I3 works with Orca.
>
> Anyone had any luck with getting i3 to work with Orca up till now? I 
> mean, if it can be made to work, it'd suit my laptop more than a full 
> fledged desktop. So I'm stil curious on this
>
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Oh sweet


So is there an example i3 config that comes up talking I could grab and 
tweak? I did a quick Google with no luck.


Looking at Solus, since my laptop is on that right now, it's running 
i3-gaps fork, would your I3 config as an example work with that? I want 
to go to something lightweight and lighter than Mate honestly on my laptop.


So....yes, I'l put i3-gaps on and see if you know of an Orca friendly 
config filelapto

On 7/9/22 13:34, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes, I use I3WM as my daily driver on Arch Linux. The trick with being
> productive with I3 is to configure its config file (mine is in
> ~/.config/i3/config).
>
> The manual is straightforward. Since I do not do the taskbar checking,
> that is where you may have problems for checking notifications and
> battery status etc.
>
> Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> writes:
>
>> So, I was told the other week I3 works with Orca.
>>
>> Anyone had any luck with getting i3 to work with Orca up till now? I
>> mean, if it can be made to work, it'd suit my laptop more than a full
>> fledged desktop. So I'm stil curious on this
>>
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Hi!
Is this another web browser or is it a desktop manager 
> 9 juli 2022 kl. 14:34 skrev Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes, I use I3WM as my daily driver on Arch Linux. The trick with being
> productive with I3 is to configure its config file (mine is in
> ~/.config/i3/config).
> 
> The manual is straightforward. Since I do not do the taskbar checking,
> that is where you may have problems for checking notifications and
> battery status etc.
> 
> Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> writes:
> 
>> So, I was told the other week I3 works with Orca.
>> 
>> Anyone had any luck with getting i3 to work with Orca up till now? I 
>> mean, if it can be made to work, it'd suit my laptop more than a full 
>> fledged desktop. So I'm stil curious on this
>> 
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Belatedly, no, i3 is a window manager



On 7/9/22 18:55, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hi!
> Is this another web browser or is it a desktop manager
>> 9 juli 2022 kl. 14:34 skrev Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes, I use I3WM as my daily driver on Arch Linux. The trick with being
>> productive with I3 is to configure its config file (mine is in
>> ~/.config/i3/config).
>>
>> The manual is straightforward. Since I do not do the taskbar checking,
>> that is where you may have problems for checking notifications and
>> battery status etc.
>>
>> Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>> So, I was told the other week I3 works with Orca.
>>>
>>> Anyone had any luck with getting i3 to work with Orca up till now? I
>>> mean, if it can be made to work, it'd suit my laptop more than a full
>>> fledged desktop. So I'm stil curious on this
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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i3wm is a Window Manager. That is, it's the part of a Desktop
Environment that creates application windows, determines how they look
and behave, and lets the user switch between open Windows and adjust
how much of the screen they take up.

Every Desktop Environment includes a window manager, but a window
manager alone doesn't provide all the functionality of a Desktop
environment. However, for some people, a Window manager is all they
need, so there are dozens of stand-alone window managers that aren't
part of a complete Desktop Environment, and even when using a full DE,
there's some room for switching out the DE's default window manager
for another.

Other common Desktop Environment components include panels(which
provide taskbar and system tray like functionality), launchers/menu
systems, and common system utilities such as a control panel or file
manager, and sometimes even common application software, such as a
default text editor, media player, etc.

I3wm, any progress?

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Hi guys,

I've tried my hand at i3, but, just, no. RatPoison with the Strychnine 
(spelling) tool for setup works better in all ways for the blindy.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent using Thunderbird from Windows 11

On 2022/07/09 14:34, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes, I use I3WM as my daily driver on Arch Linux. The trick with being
> productive with I3 is to configure its config file (mine is in
> ~/.config/i3/config).
>
> The manual is straightforward. Since I do not do the taskbar checking,
> that is where you may have problems for checking notifications and
> battery status etc.
>
> Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> writes:
>
>> So, I was told the other week I3 works with Orca.
>>
>> Anyone had any luck with getting i3 to work with Orca up till now? I
>> mean, if it can be made to work, it'd suit my laptop more than a full
>> fledged desktop. So I'm stil curious on this
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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What specifically didn't you like about I3?

I'm genuinely curius, since Ratpoison seems carried less in terms of 
distros than I3. If I could get a VM up and going (thank you qemu) I'd 
give i3 a go to compare it.


Don't get me wrong. Ratpoison is great. However, on this machine, it's 
either build it from source, since it's not in the repos and the 
distro[s attitude is well, we ship I3 why should we ship Ratpoison....or 
a draining and complex desktop


On 7/10/22 09:05, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I've tried my hand at i3, but, just, no. RatPoison with the Strychnine 
> (spelling) tool for setup works better in all ways for the blindy.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Brandt Steenkamp
>
> Sent using Thunderbird from Windows 11
>
> On 2022/07/09 14:34, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes, I use I3WM as my daily driver on Arch Linux. The trick with being
>> productive with I3 is to configure its config file (mine is in
>> ~/.config/i3/config).
>>
>> The manual is straightforward. Since I do not do the taskbar checking,
>> that is where you may have problems for checking notifications and
>> battery status etc.
>>
>> Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>> So, I was told the other week I3 works with Orca.
>>>
>>> Anyone had any luck with getting i3 to work with Orca up till now? I
>>> mean, if it can be made to work, it'd suit my laptop more than a full
>>> fledged desktop. So I'm stil curious on this
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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The fact that you have to set up i3 threw config files yourself may be 
nice for some people, but for some, not so much. Some of us actually 
have things to do besides play with software.

It's as simple as that.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent using Thunderbird from Windows 11

On 2022/07/10 11:47, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> What specifically didn't you like about I3?
>
> I'm genuinely curius, since Ratpoison seems carried less in terms of 
> distros than I3. If I could get a VM up and going (thank you qemu) I'd 
> give i3 a go to compare it.
>
>
> Don't get me wrong. Ratpoison is great. However, on this machine, it's 
> either build it from source, since it's not in the repos and the 
> distro[s attitude is well, we ship I3 why should we ship 
> Ratpoison....or a draining and complex desktop
>
>
> On 7/10/22 09:05, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I've tried my hand at i3, but, just, no. RatPoison with the 
>> Strychnine (spelling) tool for setup works better in all ways for the 
>> blindy.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>
>> Sent using Thunderbird from Windows 11
>>
>> On 2022/07/09 14:34, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yes, I use I3WM as my daily driver on Arch Linux. The trick with being
>>> productive with I3 is to configure its config file (mine is in
>>> ~/.config/i3/config).
>>>
>>> The manual is straightforward. Since I do not do the taskbar checking,
>>> that is where you may have problems for checking notifications and
>>> battery status etc.
>>>
>>> Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> So, I was told the other week I3 works with Orca.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone had any luck with getting i3 to work with Orca up till now? I
>>>> mean, if it can be made to work, it'd suit my laptop more than a full
>>>> fledged desktop. So I'm stil curious on this
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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That's why I was asking earlier if there were any example i3 configs 
that work well with Orca however yes.

That's also a constant with window managers, you need to set it up, i3 
isn't the worst out there, hello there xmonad for that, because....for 
some godforsaken reason, it's in Haskell, and no clue why. I3 by 
comparison, is easier to work with, so is Ratpoison


On 7/10/22 12:12, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> The fact that you have to set up i3 threw config files yourself may be 
> nice for some people, but for some, not so much. Some of us actually 
> have things to do besides play with software.
>
> It's as simple as that.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Brandt Steenkamp
>
> Sent using Thunderbird from Windows 11
>
> On 2022/07/10 11:47, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> What specifically didn't you like about I3?
>>
>> I'm genuinely curius, since Ratpoison seems carried less in terms of 
>> distros than I3. If I could get a VM up and going (thank you qemu) 
>> I'd give i3 a go to compare it.
>>
>>
>> Don't get me wrong. Ratpoison is great. However, on this machine, 
>> it's either build it from source, since it's not in the repos and the 
>> distro[s attitude is well, we ship I3 why should we ship 
>> Ratpoison....or a draining and complex desktop
>>
>>
>> On 7/10/22 09:05, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I've tried my hand at i3, but, just, no. RatPoison with the 
>>> Strychnine (spelling) tool for setup works better in all ways for 
>>> the blindy.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>>
>>> Sent using Thunderbird from Windows 11
>>>
>>> On 2022/07/09 14:34, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I use I3WM as my daily driver on Arch Linux. The trick with being
>>>> productive with I3 is to configure its config file (mine is in
>>>> ~/.config/i3/config).
>>>>
>>>> The manual is straightforward. Since I do not do the taskbar checking,
>>>> that is where you may have problems for checking notifications and
>>>> battery status etc.
>>>>
>>>> Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> So, I was told the other week I3 works with Orca.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone had any luck with getting i3 to work with Orca up till now? I
>>>>> mean, if it can be made to work, it'd suit my laptop more than a full
>>>>> fledged desktop. So I'm stil curious on this
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
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Hi!
Ok, so its like mate or gnome then.
/A

> 9 juli 2022 kl. 23:42 skrev Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
> 
> i3wm is a Window Manager. That is, it's the part of a Desktop
> Environment that creates application windows, determines how they look
> and behave, and lets the user switch between open Windows and adjust
> how much of the screen they take up.
> 
> Every Desktop Environment includes a window manager, but a window
> manager alone doesn't provide all the functionality of a Desktop
> environment. However, for some people, a Window manager is all they
> need, so there are dozens of stand-alone window managers that aren't
> part of a complete Desktop Environment, and even when using a full DE,
> there's some room for switching out the DE's default window manager
> for another.
> 
> Other common Desktop Environment components include panels(which
> provide taskbar and system tray like functionality), launchers/menu
> systems, and common system utilities such as a control panel or file
> manager, and sometimes even common application software, such as a
> default text editor, media player, etc.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Am 10.07.22 um 11:47 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> What specifically didn't you like about I3?

And why do you all not like mate?

I understand that testing new things is interesting, but whats wrong 
with Mate and why should I switch to another WM eventualy and what will 
those other desktop environments make better?

Cheers,

   Schoepp

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And why do you all not like mate?


MATE is very good, and it is probably more accessible than just about 
any full desktop environment currently available. But for some older 
machines with less than 2GB of RAM, even MATE, as lightweight as it is, 
can get slow. MATE is not just a window manager; its window manager is 
called Marco, which I believe can also be used standalone if desired. 
MATE is a full desktop environment complete with file management, 
panels, menus, pretty much everything you would expect from a full 
desktop. On the other hand, a window manager just manages application 
windows, allowing them to be arranged, switched, resized, etc. Yes, the 
window manager is a very important component of a desktop environment, 
as a desktop environment just won't work without a window manager. But 
it's just a part of a full desktop environment, not the whole thing. The 
main reason one would use a window manager without a full desktop 
environment would be to get more life out of an old machine or to 
customize the other components as needed, or to forego them altogether.


> I understand that testing new things is interesting, but whats wrong 
> with Mate and why should I switch to another WM eventualy and what 
> will those other desktop environments make better?


You don't need to switch at all. If MATE is your thing, definitely stay 
with it. It's what I run here, and I like it very much, although I do 
test things once in a while just to see how far things are coming along. 
A standalone window manager is not my thing at all, and it doesn't have 
to be, and it's the same for you. It's good though that some of these 
are getting some love from the accessibility side of things.

~Kyle

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I can't speak for anyone else, but the main reason I don't use mate or
Gnome, or any other full Desktop Environment is because I have no need
for the majority of the functionality a DE provides, and am happy
doing nearly every thing from the Linux console with a console screen
reader. Heck, if I ever found a text-only web browser that was a
decent replacement for Firefox, I'd probably ditch the GUI altogether.

The only reason I use a Window Manager at all is because the script I
use to launch a stripped down xsession for just Firefox and Orca
requires a window manager and it being my understanding that while you
can run a single GUI app without a Window Manager, any child windows
created will be inaccessible without a Window Manager... I'm currently
using flwm as my window manager, not because of any specific features,
but because it has the fewest dependencies and smallest disc usage of
the Window managers I've tried with the aforementioned script that
works with Firefox+Orca with a completely default config for the
window manager(can't remember which, but there was at least one window
manager I tried that was smaller than flwm, but resulted in Orca and
Firefox being completely unresponsive).

That said, the question seems a bit out of place... After all, one of
Linux's biggest selling points is that it gives you options as to how
you interact with your computer instead of trying to force you into
doing things the way the OS maker wants you to do things, and the
ability to choose between the many full-featured Desktop Environments
and the even greater number of stand alone window managers is part of
that.

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# I'm currently using flwm as my window manager, not because of any 
specific # features, but because it has the fewest dependencies and 
smallest # disc usage of the Window managers I've tried with the 
aforementioned # script that works with Firefox+Orca with a completely 
default config

# for the window manager(can't remember which,


Back when I did work for F123, we used a window manager called jwm I 
believe it was. As I recall, it worked perfectly in the manner you 
describe, and the installed size on disk was extremely small. We used 
this to run Firefox and a few other applications that we would run 
standalone with Orca running in the background from the startup script. 
I don't remember flwm being available at that time, but I found that jwm 
was very light and had few dependencies also. Running from a Raspberry 
Pi 3 at the time, this is before even the 3B+, Firefox did start up 
rather slowly, but that was because the browser is large and resource 
intensive, not at all because of the window manager. So on machines like 
this especially, it looks like there are two possibilities now for 
window managers that work very well with those tight resource constraints.

~Kyle

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Exactly. I'm looking through Solus's packages rightg now and they offer 
three or four desktops, plus several window managers. Mate has issues, 
at least on this specific distro, i.e. locking up when certain apps 
exit, completely locking up to the point of needing to force the power 
off to shut my laptop down. THis mainly still happens with Chromium apps 
as well, yes.


Now if I could work on getting Arch to boot on my laptop, I could nring 
my Ratpoison script over.

See I feel like, and correct me if I'm wrong, this unspoken attitude of 
I /must/ use Mate/ because I've been taught it';s the most accessssible. 
Which I don't buy into, at all. I mean, I want a WM on my system because 
it is infinitely more productive for me. However I'm missing the ability 
to, say, use the volume up/down keys on my laptop in a bare bones WM and 
not found the package for that yet however.


I only use about 5=10% of what Mate offerrs up, to me that's wasted 
resources.

See if I could do voice calls in a command line way, I'd be okay with 
ditching a DE, closest I'vee got is a WM like Ratpoison that's insanely 
lightweight and lets me do most of what I'm after.

Sidenote: Can I build Ratpoison from source? It doesn't ship in Solus at all

On 7/11/22 15:35, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I can't speak for anyone else, but the main reason I don't use mate or
> Gnome, or any other full Desktop Environment is because I have no need
> for the majority of the functionality a DE provides, and am happy
> doing nearly every thing from the Linux console with a console screen
> reader. Heck, if I ever found a text-only web browser that was a
> decent replacement for Firefox, I'd probably ditch the GUI altogether.
>
> The only reason I use a Window Manager at all is because the script I
> use to launch a stripped down xsession for just Firefox and Orca
> requires a window manager and it being my understanding that while you
> can run a single GUI app without a Window Manager, any child windows
> created will be inaccessible without a Window Manager... I'm currently
> using flwm as my window manager, not because of any specific features,
> but because it has the fewest dependencies and smallest disc usage of
> the Window managers I've tried with the aforementioned script that
> works with Firefox+Orca with a completely default config for the
> window manager(can't remember which, but there was at least one window
> manager I tried that was smaller than flwm, but resulted in Orca and
> Firefox being completely unresponsive).
>
> That said, the question seems a bit out of place... After all, one of
> Linux's biggest selling points is that it gives you options as to how
> you interact with your computer instead of trying to force you into
> doing things the way the OS maker wants you to do things, and the
> ability to choose between the many full-featured Desktop Environments
> and the even greater number of stand alone window managers is part of
> that.
>
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*Looks up jwm in Aptitude.*

Hard to say which has the larger footprint once you add in all the
dependencies, but at least on my system, installing JWM would require
about 50 MB of extra disc space, mainly from installing perl-modules
and some other perl stuff nothing on my system currently uses, while
removing flwm and its dependencies not used by anything else would
free 1.7Mb, so it's likely I never checked if jwm would work with the
script I'm using. Granted, flwm does recommend several perl packages
as an alternative to the menu package if you want an application menu,
but by default, I only install a package's dependencies and dip into
recommends only when they provide additional functionality I need.

And yeah, Firefox is a behemoth(/usr/lib/firefox/ accounts for nearly
half the disc usage of my /usr/ and even with 4GB of RAM and an
i7(admittedly, one that's 11-years-old, but I understand even an old
i7 is better than just about anything ARM for number crunching)
Firefox sometimes slows to a crawl if I have more than a few tabs with
rich web content open)... Sadly, lightweight web browser seems to be
synonymous with "we deliberately left out something most web designers
use weather its needed or not, so plenty of websites just don't work
in our browser" with JavaScript being a common pick for that
something... and as much as I dislike JavaScript and wish I could
permanently disable it, the reality is that for every website that
works better when you block its JavaScript, there's a website that
just won't work without JavaScript or won't even let you try to use it
without JavaScript...

I know F123 is defunct, but do you know if those scripts for starting
up stand alone GUI apps with Orca are available anywhere? The script
I'm using is rather inflexible, the only thing I've managed to figure
out for effectively modifying it is changing which window manager it
uses, and my efforts to write such a script from scratch have never
been successful.

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Well, for one thing, an 11-year-old I7 will beat out an 11-year-old ARM 
machine, but a Raspberry Pi 4 for example will probably give it a run 
for its money, not to mention the fact that the I3, I5 and I7 are all at 
least 12 years old in any case. The bottleneck in the Raspberry Pi 4 is 
probably the i/o more than processing, although they seem to have fixed 
a good bit of the i/o issues of earlier incarnations. I do want to see a 
RISC-V computer in the not-too-distant future, as that should blow 
everything out of the water by all accounts, and the architecture is 
open source, and is said to be capable of 128-bit computing.


Regarding the scripts that run Firefox and whatnot, these are still in 
the repository at

https://gitlab.com/f123/Kies

Everything you need is in the folder called kies_wrappers. They used 
startx to run jwm and Orca in the background and Firefox and some other 
apps on top. These certainly could be modified to run flwm instead of 
jwm. As I recall, there were also scripts or functions that would stop 
Fenrir trying to speak the graphical console.

~Kyle