Thoughts on KDE Plasma as of right now

Thoughts on KDE Plasma as of right now

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So given the news about KDE accessibility getting worked on, I figured 
I'd give KDE a shot. I wasn't that impressed last time.

However. It's improved a lot, I can do basic things, which is a big step 
up, and I get talking app launchers, and can do email, web browsing and 
text editing which is a big, big plus.


That being said, I still cannot change system settings or default apps 
like I can on, say, Mate but, and here's the thing I like about KDE 
Plasma as of writing this...


It is fast, it, on my Arch box, so YMMV on other OSes, but I'm running 
this on my Arch box, the thing I like about it is the keyboard commands 
make sense.

Now, if I can just work on adding a shortcut that doesn't require me to 
go and fight with a window that won't read, that'd be good. Plasma is 
pleasently surprising and worth checking in on.

Thoughts on KDE Plasma as of right now

[blinux-list]

Yeah, I've not tried it in like half a year, but this has prompted me to
begin as a Patron to linux-accessibility again. Just $19 per month, but I
hope it helps enthusiasm and to keep up this really great work!
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater at gmail.com




On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 5:18 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:

> So given the news about KDE accessibility getting worked on, I figured
> I'd give KDE a shot. I wasn't that impressed last time.
>
> However. It's improved a lot, I can do basic things, which is a big step
> up, and I get talking app launchers, and can do email, web browsing and
> text editing which is a big, big plus.
>
>
> That being said, I still cannot change system settings or default apps
> like I can on, say, Mate but, and here's the thing I like about KDE
> Plasma as of writing this...
>
>
> It is fast, it, on my Arch box, so YMMV on other OSes, but I'm running
> this on my Arch box, the thing I like about it is the keyboard commands
> make sense.
>
> Now, if I can just work on adding a shortcut that doesn't require me to
> go and fight with a window that won't read, that'd be good. Plasma is
> pleasently surprising and worth checking in on.
>
> _______________________________________________
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I mean, all I really need is the apps being fixed, things like konsole, 
the various windows and programs and it's definitely useable. Dolphin is 
surprisingly great, I went in expecting oh, it'll be a pain to use.

No, Dolphin was quick, useable and responsive. The only show stopper or 
me, and I've not found a workaround yet, is that the QT5 windows and 
panels do not read, the irony of the accessibility panel being 
inaccessible is not lost on me, but I'm tempted to keep it around to see 
where it goes, and given the Steam Deck uses Plasma last I checked, 
here's hoping for improvements that get ported there too

On 6/23/22 11:53, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Yeah, I've not tried it in like half a year, but this has prompted me to
> begin as a Patron to linux-accessibility again. Just $19 per month, but I
> hope it helps enthusiasm and to keep up this really great work!
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 5:18 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
> blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> So given the news about KDE accessibility getting worked on, I figured
>> I'd give KDE a shot. I wasn't that impressed last time.
>>
>> However. It's improved a lot, I can do basic things, which is a big step
>> up, and I get talking app launchers, and can do email, web browsing and
>> text editing which is a big, big plus.
>>
>>
>> That being said, I still cannot change system settings or default apps
>> like I can on, say, Mate but, and here's the thing I like about KDE
>> Plasma as of writing this...
>>
>>
>> It is fast, it, on my Arch box, so YMMV on other OSes, but I'm running
>> this on my Arch box, the thing I like about it is the keyboard commands
>> make sense.
>>
>> Now, if I can just work on adding a shortcut that doesn't require me to
>> go and fight with a window that won't read, that'd be good. Plasma is
>> pleasently surprising and worth checking in on.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list at redhat.com
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Howdy,

glad to hear that you like the work.
> That being said, I still cannot change system settings or default apps 
> like I can on, say, Mate but, and here's the thing I like about KDE 
> Plasma as of writing this... 
this is active worked on. so hopefully this should be fixed soon :).
> Now, if I can just work on adding a shortcut that doesn't require me 
> to go and fight with a window that won't read, that'd be good
what does this mean? you talk about the settings dialog for shortcuts? 
or anything else?

cheers chrys

Am 23.06.22 um 12:17 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> So given the news about KDE accessibility getting worked on, I figured 
> I'd give KDE a shot. I wasn't that impressed last time.
>
> However. It's improved a lot, I can do basic things, which is a big 
> step up, and I get talking app launchers, and can do email, web 
> browsing and text editing which is a big, big plus.
>
>
> That being said, I still cannot change system settings or default apps 
> like I can on, say, Mate but, and here's the thing I like about KDE 
> Plasma as of writing this...
>
>
> It is fast, it, on my Arch box, so YMMV on other OSes, but I'm running 
> this on my Arch box, the thing I like about it is the keyboard 
> commands make sense.
>
> Now, if I can just work on adding a shortcut that doesn't require me 
> to go and fight with a window that won't read, that'd be good. Plasma 
> is pleasently surprising and worth checking in on.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

Thoughts on KDE Plasma as of right now

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Howdy Devin,

thanks for supporting us! sorry being inactive for a long time. it was 
for job reasons. I was very busy in an huge ERP project (5 years 
development, ~3 Million dollar budgets, a army of developers just to 
name some numbers in size :D) - and this pays my bills, so i have to 
settle priority's.? But the project almost completed and i have more and 
more spare time to work on accessibility again (as you might already 
noted :), just say OCRdesktop 4.0, dragonFM 1.0 , continue efforts for 
plugin driven orca and the latest KDE accessibility work.
I do my best to keep on :). And improve the situation. support always 
motivates. this is a sign that somebody like my work.

cheers chrys

Am 23.06.22 um 12:53 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> Yeah, I've not tried it in like half a year, but this has prompted me to
> begin as a Patron to linux-accessibility again. Just $19 per month, but I
> hope it helps enthusiasm and to keep up this really great work!
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 5:18 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
> blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> So given the news about KDE accessibility getting worked on, I figured
>> I'd give KDE a shot. I wasn't that impressed last time.
>>
>> However. It's improved a lot, I can do basic things, which is a big step
>> up, and I get talking app launchers, and can do email, web browsing and
>> text editing which is a big, big plus.
>>
>>
>> That being said, I still cannot change system settings or default apps
>> like I can on, say, Mate but, and here's the thing I like about KDE
>> Plasma as of writing this...
>>
>>
>> It is fast, it, on my Arch box, so YMMV on other OSes, but I'm running
>> this on my Arch box, the thing I like about it is the keyboard commands
>> make sense.
>>
>> Now, if I can just work on adding a shortcut that doesn't require me to
>> go and fight with a window that won't read, that'd be good. Plasma is
>> pleasently surprising and worth checking in on.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Blinux-list mailing list
>> Blinux-list at redhat.com
>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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Thoughts on KDE Plasma as of right now

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Howdy,

> I mean, all I really need is the apps being fixed, things like 
> konsole, the various windows and programs and it's definitely useable. 
> Dolphin is surprisingly great, I went in expecting oh, it'll be a pain 
> to use. 
yes, most apps already got very basic support, but this needs to be 
improved a lot. first lets fix up most the desktop related components. 
Konsole should have basic accessibility support as well. but i think the 
handling in orca to VTE is very special black magic. this might need to 
be done for Konsole as well.
the support for konsole is tracked at this task:
https://phabricator.kde.org/T10099
last thing was QT was missing the Terminal accessibility role. this was 
added then by frederik. so the work could here beeing continue as well.

> The only show stopper or me, and I've not found a workaround yet, is 
> that the QT5 windows and panels do not read
QT5 windows should be accessible by default. you might have to set an 
environment variable:
set this to your ~/.bashrc file
export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 # for QT5 accessibility

by the way, in latest plasma 5.25 there is a new shortcut to focus all 
available desktop panels Meta + Alt + p (it cycles between all available 
desktop panels and the desktop itself). the desktop panel and tray area 
is also now keyboard navigate able. But some accessibility labels are 
missing or could? be improved. this is next on my list.

just to share the latest links i send to orca list:
my blog post about current KDE accessibility team efforts:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/68079468

Carls current proposal to have accessibility as 3 year goal (this is a 
voting process):
https://phabricator.kde.org/T15611
my old proposal from 2019 to try to set accessibility as KDE goal (sadly 
not voted):
https://phabricator.kde.org/T11074
lets hope accessibility is set as KDE goal for now. this would be great 
and would give that a lot of love and attention.

i will do a basic review of the current situation at weekend. for those 
are curious about KDEs accessibility state.

cheers chrys
Am 23.06.22 um 13:05 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> I mean, all I really need is the apps being fixed, things like 
> konsole, the various windows and programs and it's definitely useable. 
> Dolphin is surprisingly great, I went in expecting oh, it'll be a pain 
> to use.
>
> No, Dolphin was quick, useable and responsive. The only show stopper 
> or me, and I've not found a workaround yet, is that the QT5 windows 
> and panels do not read, the irony of the accessibility panel being 
> inaccessible is not lost on me, but I'm tempted to keep it around to 
> see where it goes, and given the Steam Deck uses Plasma last I 
> checked, here's hoping for improvements that get ported there too
>
> On 6/23/22 11:53, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Yeah, I've not tried it in like half a year, but this has prompted me to
>> begin as a Patron to linux-accessibility again. Just $19 per month, 
>> but I
>> hope it helps enthusiasm and to keep up this really great work!
>> Devin Prater
>> r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 5:18 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
>> blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So given the news about KDE accessibility getting worked on, I figured
>>> I'd give KDE a shot. I wasn't that impressed last time.
>>>
>>> However. It's improved a lot, I can do basic things, which is a big 
>>> step
>>> up, and I get talking app launchers, and can do email, web browsing and
>>> text editing which is a big, big plus.
>>>
>>>
>>> That being said, I still cannot change system settings or default apps
>>> like I can on, say, Mate but, and here's the thing I like about KDE
>>> Plasma as of writing this...
>>>
>>>
>>> It is fast, it, on my Arch box, so YMMV on other OSes, but I'm running
>>> this on my Arch box, the thing I like about it is the keyboard commands
>>> make sense.
>>>
>>> Now, if I can just work on adding a shortcut that doesn't require me to
>>> go and fight with a window that won't read, that'd be good. Plasma is
>>> pleasently surprising and worth checking in on.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>> Blinux-list at redhat.com
>>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Blinux-list at redhat.com
>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>
>
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Wonder if we could set that environment variable as KDE starts?
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater at gmail.com




On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:34 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> > I mean, all I really need is the apps being fixed, things like
> > konsole, the various windows and programs and it's definitely useable.
> > Dolphin is surprisingly great, I went in expecting oh, it'll be a pain
> > to use.
> yes, most apps already got very basic support, but this needs to be
> improved a lot. first lets fix up most the desktop related components.
> Konsole should have basic accessibility support as well. but i think the
> handling in orca to VTE is very special black magic. this might need to
> be done for Konsole as well.
> the support for konsole is tracked at this task:
> https://phabricator.kde.org/T10099
> last thing was QT was missing the Terminal accessibility role. this was
> added then by frederik. so the work could here beeing continue as well.
>
> > The only show stopper or me, and I've not found a workaround yet, is
> > that the QT5 windows and panels do not read
> QT5 windows should be accessible by default. you might have to set an
> environment variable:
> set this to your ~/.bashrc file
> export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 # for QT5 accessibility
>
> by the way, in latest plasma 5.25 there is a new shortcut to focus all
> available desktop panels Meta + Alt + p (it cycles between all available
> desktop panels and the desktop itself). the desktop panel and tray area
> is also now keyboard navigate able. But some accessibility labels are
> missing or could  be improved. this is next on my list.
>
> just to share the latest links i send to orca list:
> my blog post about current KDE accessibility team efforts:
> https://www.patreon.com/posts/68079468
>
> Carls current proposal to have accessibility as 3 year goal (this is a
> voting process):
> https://phabricator.kde.org/T15611
> my old proposal from 2019 to try to set accessibility as KDE goal (sadly
> not voted):
> https://phabricator.kde.org/T11074
> lets hope accessibility is set as KDE goal for now. this would be great
> and would give that a lot of love and attention.
>
> i will do a basic review of the current situation at weekend. for those
> are curious about KDEs accessibility state.
>
> cheers chrys
> Am 23.06.22 um 13:05 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
> > I mean, all I really need is the apps being fixed, things like
> > konsole, the various windows and programs and it's definitely useable.
> > Dolphin is surprisingly great, I went in expecting oh, it'll be a pain
> > to use.
> >
> > No, Dolphin was quick, useable and responsive. The only show stopper
> > or me, and I've not found a workaround yet, is that the QT5 windows
> > and panels do not read, the irony of the accessibility panel being
> > inaccessible is not lost on me, but I'm tempted to keep it around to
> > see where it goes, and given the Steam Deck uses Plasma last I
> > checked, here's hoping for improvements that get ported there too
> >
> > On 6/23/22 11:53, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> >> Yeah, I've not tried it in like half a year, but this has prompted me to
> >> begin as a Patron to linux-accessibility again. Just $19 per month,
> >> but I
> >> hope it helps enthusiasm and to keep up this really great work!
> >> Devin Prater
> >> r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 5:18 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
> >> blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> So given the news about KDE accessibility getting worked on, I figured
> >>> I'd give KDE a shot. I wasn't that impressed last time.
> >>>
> >>> However. It's improved a lot, I can do basic things, which is a big
> >>> step
> >>> up, and I get talking app launchers, and can do email, web browsing and
> >>> text editing which is a big, big plus.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That being said, I still cannot change system settings or default apps
> >>> like I can on, say, Mate but, and here's the thing I like about KDE
> >>> Plasma as of writing this...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is fast, it, on my Arch box, so YMMV on other OSes, but I'm running
> >>> this on my Arch box, the thing I like about it is the keyboard commands
> >>> make sense.
> >>>
> >>> Now, if I can just work on adding a shortcut that doesn't require me to
> >>> go and fight with a window that won't read, that'd be good. Plasma is
> >>> pleasently surprising and worth checking in on.
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Blinux-list mailing list
> >>> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> >>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >
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In no particular order...


1. Yes, a said in the other mails, none of the dialogs read, but I can 
add export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 # for QT5 accessibility 
into both .xinitrc and /bashrc too


Yes I was trying to add a shortcut for opening a terminal with Meta+T 
for example. Is it already in one of the Meta 1-0 keys, if so I didn't 
find it, or is it only set to look for yakuake/Konsole? I can dig in the 
.xml files to check and see if so


PAM and unlocking after sleep/when doing startx does not accept my 
password and acts as a failed login, thus locking me out after 3 failed 
logins.



On 6/23/22 16:52, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Wonder if we could set that environment variable as KDE starts?
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 10:34 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
> blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>>> I mean, all I really need is the apps being fixed, things like
>>> konsole, the various windows and programs and it's definitely useable.
>>> Dolphin is surprisingly great, I went in expecting oh, it'll be a pain
>>> to use.
>> yes, most apps already got very basic support, but this needs to be
>> improved a lot. first lets fix up most the desktop related components.
>> Konsole should have basic accessibility support as well. but i think the
>> handling in orca to VTE is very special black magic. this might need to
>> be done for Konsole as well.
>> the support for konsole is tracked at this task:
>> https://phabricator.kde.org/T10099
>> last thing was QT was missing the Terminal accessibility role. this was
>> added then by frederik. so the work could here beeing continue as well.
>>
>>> The only show stopper or me, and I've not found a workaround yet, is
>>> that the QT5 windows and panels do not read
>> QT5 windows should be accessible by default. you might have to set an
>> environment variable:
>> set this to your ~/.bashrc file
>> export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 # for QT5 accessibility
>>
>> by the way, in latest plasma 5.25 there is a new shortcut to focus all
>> available desktop panels Meta + Alt + p (it cycles between all available
>> desktop panels and the desktop itself). the desktop panel and tray area
>> is also now keyboard navigate able. But some accessibility labels are
>> missing or could  be improved. this is next on my list.
>>
>> just to share the latest links i send to orca list:
>> my blog post about current KDE accessibility team efforts:
>> https://www.patreon.com/posts/68079468
>>
>> Carls current proposal to have accessibility as 3 year goal (this is a
>> voting process):
>> https://phabricator.kde.org/T15611
>> my old proposal from 2019 to try to set accessibility as KDE goal (sadly
>> not voted):
>> https://phabricator.kde.org/T11074
>> lets hope accessibility is set as KDE goal for now. this would be great
>> and would give that a lot of love and attention.
>>
>> i will do a basic review of the current situation at weekend. for those
>> are curious about KDEs accessibility state.
>>
>> cheers chrys
>> Am 23.06.22 um 13:05 schrieb Linux for blind general discussion:
>>> I mean, all I really need is the apps being fixed, things like
>>> konsole, the various windows and programs and it's definitely useable.
>>> Dolphin is surprisingly great, I went in expecting oh, it'll be a pain
>>> to use.
>>>
>>> No, Dolphin was quick, useable and responsive. The only show stopper
>>> or me, and I've not found a workaround yet, is that the QT5 windows
>>> and panels do not read, the irony of the accessibility panel being
>>> inaccessible is not lost on me, but I'm tempted to keep it around to
>>> see where it goes, and given the Steam Deck uses Plasma last I
>>> checked, here's hoping for improvements that get ported there too
>>>
>>> On 6/23/22 11:53, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>>> Yeah, I've not tried it in like half a year, but this has prompted me to
>>>> begin as a Patron to linux-accessibility again. Just $19 per month,
>>>> but I
>>>> hope it helps enthusiasm and to keep up this really great work!
>>>> Devin Prater
>>>> r.d.t.prater at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 5:18 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
>>>> blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So given the news about KDE accessibility getting worked on, I figured
>>>>> I'd give KDE a shot. I wasn't that impressed last time.
>>>>>
>>>>> However. It's improved a lot, I can do basic things, which is a big
>>>>> step
>>>>> up, and I get talking app launchers, and can do email, web browsing and
>>>>> text editing which is a big, big plus.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That being said, I still cannot change system settings or default apps
>>>>> like I can on, say, Mate but, and here's the thing I like about KDE
>>>>> Plasma as of writing this...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is fast, it, on my Arch box, so YMMV on other OSes, but I'm running
>>>>> this on my Arch box, the thing I like about it is the keyboard commands
>>>>> make sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, if I can just work on adding a shortcut that doesn't require me to
>>>>> go and fight with a window that won't read, that'd be good. Plasma is
>>>>> pleasently surprising and worth checking in on.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Blinux-list mailing list
>>>>> Blinux-list at redhat.com
>>>>> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
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