I'm in crisis, help!!!

I'm in crisis, help!!!

[blinux-list]

Hi all,

I am currently running vanilla Ubuntu 22.04, but every time the laptop 
reboots, which I will admit is not often, I spend more time on fixing my 
sound devices than I feel should be needed. This is driving me nuts!

What would you suggest I do?

Fedora doesn't want to talk in the installer, why I have no idea. I 
tried upgrading from a Fedora 35 install, but it stopped talking as well.

I've tried installing Arch, but for some reason the Arch installer also 
doesn't want to talk, and, yes, I know how it's suppose to be done. It 
use to talk just fine on my system, but now?

OpenSUSE's installer is inaccessible, and being married to a blind lady, 
I don't have eyeballs to assist.

After re-installing Slint a few days ago, something broke when I updated 
the system to the point that I couldn't boot it at all.

Now you understand why I feel like I'm in a bit of a pickle here. I 
refuse to re-install Windows on this machine, I really don't want to 
take a dive out the nearest window, which would be the result of me 
doing that.

Have mercy on this dumb South African and help me out of my misery!

-- 
Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent using Thunderbird on the Linux box.

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I just tried Fedora Workstation 36, and found that the installer in fact 
is not speaking. However, it does speak using the Fedora-MATE-Compiz 
spin. I know I just saw an update to the anaconda stuff I believe about 
2 or 3 days ago that may have fixed it for everyone, but I am certain 
that the installer is talking on the MATE spin I downloaded about 15 
minutes ago. Your biggest issue will be a pitch problem with 
speech-dispatcher's defaults that make things sound really high at 
times. But this is fixed, at least in Orca with Fedora-MATE-Compiz 36, 
by changing the speech synthesizer in the voice tab from "default speech 
synthesizer" to espeak-ng. Also, your alt+super+s keyboard shortcut to 
turn on Orca is disabled by default in MATE, so you will want to press 
alt+f2 and enter orca in the run window. Hope this helps.

~Kyle

I'm in crisis, help!!!

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My suggestion would be to run a slightly older version of whatever Linux 
you prefer.
I never upgrade just because I can.
Just make sure you do your security updates.
I am not saying you should'nt play though, just do it on another partition 
or another machine if you have one.
Regards, Willem

On Mon, 23 May 2022, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am currently running vanilla Ubuntu 22.04, but every time the laptop 
> reboots, which I will admit is not often, I spend more time on fixing my 
> sound devices than I feel should be needed. This is driving me nuts!
>
> What would you suggest I do?
>
> Fedora doesn't want to talk in the installer, why I have no idea. I tried 
> upgrading from a Fedora 35 install, but it stopped talking as well.
>
> I've tried installing Arch, but for some reason the Arch installer also 
> doesn't want to talk, and, yes, I know how it's suppose to be done. It use to 
> talk just fine on my system, but now?
>
> OpenSUSE's installer is inaccessible, and being married to a blind lady, I 
> don't have eyeballs to assist.
>
> After re-installing Slint a few days ago, something broke when I updated the 
> system to the point that I couldn't boot it at all.
>
> Now you understand why I feel like I'm in a bit of a pickle here. I refuse to 
> re-install Windows on this machine, I really don't want to take a dive out 
> the nearest window, which would be the result of me doing that.
>
> Have mercy on this dumb South African and help me out of my misery!
>
> -- 
> Warm regards,
>
> Brandt Steenkamp
>
> Sent using Thunderbird on the Linux box.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

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In general, Linux plays nicely with the CLI and thus with shell scripts.  So, here's a possible approach:

- Using script(1), record all of the restoration work.
- edit the typescript file into a shell script (eg, soundfix)
- use soundfix to restore the sound, etc.

Here is a sample script session:

=====
$ script
Script started, output file is typescript
-2- [07:11 Mon May 23] ~
$ date
Mon May 23 07:11:16 PDT 2022
-2- [07:11 Mon May 23] ~
$ exit
exit

Script done, output file is typescript
=====

The typescript file will look something like this:

=====
$ cat typescript
Script started on Mon May 23 07:11:11 2022
-2- [07:11 Mon May 23] ~
$ date
Mon May 23 07:11:16 PDT 2022
-2- [07:11 Mon May 23] ~
$ exit
exit
=====

- Rich Morin


> On May 23, 2022, at 02:57, Brandt Steenkamp wrote:
> 
> I am currently running vanilla Ubuntu 22.04, but every time the laptop reboots, which I will admit is not often, I spend more time on fixing my sound devices than I feel should be needed. This is driving me nuts!
> 
> What would you suggest I do?

I'm in crisis, help!!!

[blinux-list]

I second what Rich is saying. I was about to make the same suggestion. You
can also hook your custom script into startup so that it runs as soon as
possible when the machine is ready for it.

--
Karl Wilbur
513-322-2481
karl at karlwilbur.net


On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 10:19 AM Linux for blind general discussion <
blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:

> In general, Linux plays nicely with the CLI and thus with shell scripts.
> So, here's a possible approach:
>
> - Using script(1), record all of the restoration work.
> - edit the typescript file into a shell script (eg, soundfix)
> - use soundfix to restore the sound, etc.
>
> Here is a sample script session:
>
> =====
> $ script
> Script started, output file is typescript
> -2- [07:11 Mon May 23] ~
> $ date
> Mon May 23 07:11:16 PDT 2022
> -2- [07:11 Mon May 23] ~
> $ exit
> exit
>
> Script done, output file is typescript
> =====
>
> The typescript file will look something like this:
>
> =====
> $ cat typescript
> Script started on Mon May 23 07:11:11 2022
> -2- [07:11 Mon May 23] ~
> $ date
> Mon May 23 07:11:16 PDT 2022
> -2- [07:11 Mon May 23] ~
> $ exit
> exit
> =====
>
> - Rich Morin
>
>
> > On May 23, 2022, at 02:57, Brandt Steenkamp wrote:
> >
> > I am currently running vanilla Ubuntu 22.04, but every time the laptop
> reboots, which I will admit is not often, I spend more time on fixing my
> sound devices than I feel should be needed. This is driving me nuts!
> >
> > What would you suggest I do?
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>
>

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Be VERY cautious about what you put in the restoration script, especially if it is run as a startup script.  In particular, you don't want it to trash an already working configuration.

-r

> On May 23, 2022, at 07:23, Karl Wilbur wrote:
> 
> ... You can also hook your custom script into startup so that it runs
> as soon as possible when the machine is ready for it.

I'm in crisis, help!!!

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I'll redownload Fedora and see if it works.

I'd prefer vanilla Fedora with Gnome, since that's the way the Gnome 
devs intended Gnome, as well as the fact that Fedora with Gnome is the 
flagship.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent using Thunderbird on the Linux box.

On 2022/05/23 14:47, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I just tried Fedora Workstation 36, and found that the installer in 
> fact is not speaking. However, it does speak using the 
> Fedora-MATE-Compiz spin. I know I just saw an update to the anaconda 
> stuff I believe about 2 or 3 days ago that may have fixed it for 
> everyone, but I am certain that the installer is talking on the MATE 
> spin I downloaded about 15 minutes ago. Your biggest issue will be a 
> pitch problem with speech-dispatcher's defaults that make things sound 
> really high at times. But this is fixed, at least in Orca with 
> Fedora-MATE-Compiz 36, by changing the speech synthesizer in the voice 
> tab from "default speech synthesizer" to espeak-ng. Also, your 
> alt+super+s keyboard shortcut to turn on Orca is disabled by default 
> in MATE, so you will want to press alt+f2 and enter orca in the run 
> window. Hope this helps.
>
> ~Kyle
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

I'm in crisis, help!!!

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I'll redownload Fedora and see if it works.

Looks like your best bet will be to download the MATE spin and then 
install GNOME. The version I had already downloaded and tested with the 
non-speaking installer is the same version 36-1.5currently on the 
website. The MATE version also says 36-1.5, but its installer speaks, 
and you should actually be able to convert it to standard Fedora 
Workstation through dnf. It seems the packages you need will be 
fedora-release-workstation, fedora-release-identity-workstation, 
fedora-workstation-backgrounds and fedora-workstation-repositories. 
Either that or just install the GNOME desktop environment over your MATE 
install and change your default session on the display manager screen.

~Kyle

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Hi,
Thanks for this one, I certainly will give it a go. I cannot say that I dislike Mate, to the contrary, I like it just fine. I've just never seen Gnome this responsive before, and I really, really enjoy using it now.
Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent using Thunderbird on the Linux box.

On 2022/05/23 18:01, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I'll redownload Fedora and see if it works.
>
> Looks like your best bet will be to download the MATE spin and then 
> install GNOME. The version I had already downloaded and tested with 
> the non-speaking installer is the same version 36-1.5currently on the 
> website. The MATE version also says 36-1.5, but its installer speaks, 
> and you should actually be able to convert it to standard Fedora 
> Workstation through dnf. It seems the packages you need will be 
> fedora-release-workstation, fedora-release-identity-workstation, 
> fedora-workstation-backgrounds and fedora-workstation-repositories. 
> Either that or just install the GNOME desktop environment over your 
> MATE install and change your default session on the display manager 
> screen.
>
> ~Kyle
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

I'm in crisis, help!!!

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Hello everyone,

I just wanted to ask, did anyone else notice Ubuntu Mate 22.04 messing
audio devices on startup?


I'm just in a transit process, where I have installed the new system
into a virtual machine to see whether it's okay, so I could install it
on my laptop afterwards.


I've been using the VM from time to time, and I didn't observe any
audio-related problems.


That's why this thread surprised me a bit.


Also, regarding Gnome, does the Fedora version of Gnome work better than
the Ubuntu-one?

I've tried the main version of Ubuntu as well, just to see how it's
doing, and it weren't usable much, even less than it used to be due to
the problems with the caps-lock key.


Best regards


Rastislav


D?a 23. 5. 2022 o 16:35 Linux for blind general discussion nap?sal(a):
> Be VERY cautious about what you put in the restoration script, especially if it is run as a startup script.  In particular, you don't want it to trash an already working configuration.
>
> -r
>
>> On May 23, 2022, at 07:23, Karl Wilbur wrote:
>>
>> ... You can also hook your custom script into startup so that it runs
>> as soon as possible when the machine is ready for it.
> _______________________________________________
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> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

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You have to remember that virtual machines are heavily dependent on the host. So just because you don't see hardware problems in a vm doesn't mean you won't see them on bare metal.

----- Original Message -----
From: Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>
To: blinux-list at redhat.com
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 16:57:39 +0000
Subject: Re: I'm in crisis, help!!!

> Hello everyone,

I just wanted to ask, did anyone else notice Ubuntu Mate 22.04 messing
audio devices on startup?


I'm just in a transit process, where I have installed the new system
into a virtual machine to see whether it's okay, so I could install it
on my laptop afterwards.


I've been using the VM from time to time, and I didn't observe any
audio-related problems.


That's why this thread surprised me a bit.


Also, regarding Gnome, does the Fedora version of Gnome work better than
the Ubuntu-one?

I've tried the main version of Ubuntu as well, just to see how it's
doing, and it weren't usable much, even less than it used to be due to
the problems with the caps-lock key.


Best regards


Rastislav


Dna 23. 5. 2022 o 16:35 Linux for blind general discussion nap?sal(a):
> Be VERY cautious about what you put in the restoration script, especially if it is run as a startup script.  In particular, you don't want it to trash an already working configuration.
>
> -r
>
>> On May 23, 2022, at 07:23, Karl Wilbur wrote:
>>
>> ... You can also hook your custom script into startup so that it runs
>> as soon as possible when the machine is ready for it.
> _______________________________________________
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Hi,

I flashed Fedora Mate-compiz 36 to a drive, booted it up, used alt+f2 and typed orca. Nothing, no speech, nor Braille.

Thus, I'm stuck.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

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> On 23 May 2022, at 18:01, Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll redownload Fedora and see if it works.
> 
> Looks like your best bet will be to download the MATE spin and then install GNOME. The version I had already downloaded and tested with the non-speaking installer is the same version 36-1.5currently on the website. The MATE version also says 36-1.5, but its installer speaks, and you should actually be able to convert it to standard Fedora Workstation through dnf. It seems the packages you need will be fedora-release-workstation, fedora-release-identity-workstation, fedora-workstation-backgrounds and fedora-workstation-repositories. Either that or just install the GNOME desktop environment over your MATE install and change your default session on the display manager screen.
> 
> ~Kyle
> 
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> 

I'm in crisis, help!!!

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Ok, I'm going "home", downloading Slint again, lets hope it doesn't 
break on me this time.


Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent using Thunderbird on the Linux box.

On 2022/05/23 18:01, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> I'll redownload Fedora and see if it works.
>
> Looks like your best bet will be to download the MATE spin and then 
> install GNOME. The version I had already downloaded and tested with 
> the non-speaking installer is the same version 36-1.5currently on the 
> website. The MATE version also says 36-1.5, but its installer speaks, 
> and you should actually be able to convert it to standard Fedora 
> Workstation through dnf. It seems the packages you need will be 
> fedora-release-workstation, fedora-release-identity-workstation, 
> fedora-workstation-backgrounds and fedora-workstation-repositories. 
> Either that or just install the GNOME desktop environment over your 
> MATE install and change your default session on the display manager 
> screen.
>
> ~Kyle
>
> _______________________________________________
> Blinux-list mailing list
> Blinux-list at redhat.com
> https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list
>

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Ho Brandt

Le 23/05/2022 ? 21:48, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit?:
> Ok, I'm going "home", downloading Slint again, lets hope it doesn't break on me
> this time.

If it does, ping me, I'll try to help. You can reach me via email, Telegram and IRC.

Good luck.

Cheers,
--
Didier

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Hi Didier,


I certainly will. Busy flashing Slint to a drive now.


I'm fed up with stuff not doing what it's suppose to, something I've 
never found true for Slint.


Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent using Thunderbird on the Linux box.

On 2022/05/23 22:02, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Ho Brandt
>
> Le 23/05/2022 ? 21:48, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit?:
>> Ok, I'm going "home", downloading Slint again, lets hope it doesn't break on me
>> this time.
> If it does, ping me, I'll try to help. You can reach me via email, Telegram and IRC.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Didier
>
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Hi!
Can it be a hardware issue maybe?
Just thinking here.
Not sure though what that hardware issue could be.
Maybe a memory or bios issue.
/A

> 23 maj 2022 kl. 22:05 skrev Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
> 
> Hi Didier,
> 
> 
> I certainly will. Busy flashing Slint to a drive now.
> 
> 
> I'm fed up with stuff not doing what it's suppose to, something I've never found true for Slint.
> 
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent using Thunderbird on the Linux box.
> 
> On 2022/05/23 22:02, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>> Ho Brandt
>> 
>> Le 23/05/2022 ? 21:48, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit :
>>> Ok, I'm going "home", downloading Slint again, lets hope it doesn't break on me
>>> this time.
>> If it does, ping me, I'll try to help. You can reach me via email, Telegram and IRC.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Didier
>> 
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Hi!
To know, we need to know more: the exact steps you follow, when the issue occur,
and what goes wrong exactly.

Did you check the integrity of the ISO you downloaded?

Cheers,
Didier

Le 24/05/2022 ? 10:46, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit?:
> Hi!
> Can it be a hardware issue maybe?
> Just thinking here.
> Not sure though what that hardware issue could be.
> Maybe a memory or bios issue.
> /A
> 
>> 23 maj 2022 kl. 22:05 skrev Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
>>
>> Hi Didier,
>>
>>
>> I certainly will. Busy flashing Slint to a drive now.
>>
>>
>> I'm fed up with stuff not doing what it's suppose to, something I've never found true for Slint.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>
>> Sent using Thunderbird on the Linux box.
>>
>> On 2022/05/23 22:02, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Ho Brandt
>>>
>>> Le 23/05/2022 ? 21:48, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit :
>>>> Ok, I'm going "home", downloading Slint again, lets hope it doesn't break on me
>>>> this time.
>>> If it does, ping me, I'll try to help. You can reach me via email, Telegram and IRC.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> --
>>> Didier
>>>
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I don't think so, almost every other distro with a talking installer 
works just fine.


I have just successfully re-installed Slint without any issues what so ever.


I don't know why my previous Slint install broke, but this one seems to 
be fine, for now. We'll see.


Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent using Thunderbird from the Slint laptop

On 2022/05/24 10:46, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
> Hi!
> Can it be a hardware issue maybe?
> Just thinking here.
> Not sure though what that hardware issue could be.
> Maybe a memory or bios issue.
> /A
>
>> 23 maj 2022 kl. 22:05 skrev Linux for blind general discussion <blinux-list at redhat.com>:
>>
>> Hi Didier,
>>
>>
>> I certainly will. Busy flashing Slint to a drive now.
>>
>>
>> I'm fed up with stuff not doing what it's suppose to, something I've never found true for Slint.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>
>> Sent using Thunderbird on the Linux box.
>>
>> On 2022/05/23 22:02, Linux for blind general discussion wrote:
>>> Ho Brandt
>>>
>>> Le 23/05/2022 ? 21:48, Linux for blind general discussion a ?crit :
>>>> Ok, I'm going "home", downloading Slint again, lets hope it doesn't break on me
>>>> this time.
>>> If it does, ping me, I'll try to help. You can reach me via email, Telegram and IRC.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> --
>>> Didier
>>>
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