"Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)

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Do what?
where I am it is actually a violation of vendor contract to tell someone 
they must use a certain tool.
give them the chance in an office to try several things yes.
Force jaws down their throat like rehab does no.
I said I wished I knew someone in Nebraska media not that I did...although 
perhaps.



On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:

> Please do.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
> Cc: "Butch Bussen" <butchb at shellworld.net>; "John G. Heim" <jheim at wisc.edu>;
> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>;
> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>
>
> Glen,
> you are missing the point.
> A commission board, at least if constructed  with integrity serves as a
> watchdog for your organization's activities.
> Making sure that you act, objectively, and above influence with government
> funding.
> That role differs from a public servant, like yourself.
> In fact that the commission  has members from both organizations is
> exactly why you should not be a member.
> if, as you said, the state has an Nfb philosophy, I wonder  just how above
> influence  that commission actually is, lip service attendance does not
> translate  to the statement you freely made.
> Honestly, i wish I knew someone with Nebraska public radio.  there is a
> investigative, data journalism piece right here, exploring how objective
> your  office is in fact.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>
>> Karen,
>> In Nebraska, the commission board attends both consumer groups' state
>> conventions.
>> So there is total transparency within the consumer groups.
>> The agency sends clients to both conventions for educational purposes.
>> Some can go to either national convention on the state.
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>> Cc: "Butch Bussen" <butchb at shellworld.net>; "John G. Heim"
>> <jheim at wisc.edu>;
>> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 2:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>
>>
>> wrong.
>> Your first duty is to those clients  You serve.  as illustrated here the
>> Nfb
>> used their ability to reach insiders to influence policy to the detriment
>> of the broader community...same can clearly be said for freedom
>> scientific.
>> That you stated clearly that your  rehab system runs on an nfb philosophy
>> illustrates my point perfectly.
>> There are countless legal terms for  such conflicts of interest, I dare
>> say if you were serving any other clientele your government watchdog would
>> put  a stop  to the practice.
>> allows the organization to have undue almost antitrust influence on
>> people's lives.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think so, we are people first, and being a government employee
>>> should not preclude personal rights.
>>> Besides, I attended the conventions for CEU credits, but I never joined
>>> with
>>> dues.
>>> Glenn
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>> To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>>> Cc: "Butch Bussen" <butchb at shellworld.net>; "John G. Heim"
>>> <jheim at wisc.edu>;
>>> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>>> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 11:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>
>>>
>>> speaking personally?
>>> No government employee should be a member of the NfB.   ethical conflict
>>> of interest personified.
>>>
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I had been to a state NFBN convention that year and did the PAC
>>>> thing.
>>>> Then when the NFB did that, I called up the state treasurer for the NFBN
>>>> and
>>>> cancelled my PAC plan.
>>>> I told them that they don't care if I can read my money, then they don't
>>>> need any from me.
>>>> Glenn
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>> To: "Butch Bussen" <butchb at shellworld.net>
>>>> Cc: "John G. Heim" <jheim at wisc.edu>; "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>;
>>>> <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>>>> <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 11:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My personal favorite is the rejection of money that could be identified
>>>> by touch.  never mind that for honestly thousands of years the practice
>>>> has
>>>> been common so those with limited education could still engage in
>>>> commerce.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2022, Butch Bussen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I remember that.  And what about their oposition to descriptive
>>>>> video,
>>>>> even filed a law sute to get the law thrown out, which it was at that
>>>>> time.
>>>>> 73
>>>>> Butch
>>>>> WA0VJR
>>>>> Node 3148
>>>>> Wallace, ks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, John G. Heim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Holy cow! Are you aware that the NFB once asked Microsoft to *NOT*
>>>>>> improve
>>>>>>  Narrator to the point where it would compete with Jaws? If you think
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>  NFB is incapable of forcing choices on people, you are very sadly
>>>>>>  mistaken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On 8/16/22 09:36, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>>>>>   This sort of thing would never happen in Nebraska, or any state
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>   the
>>>>>>>   agency staff is of the NFB philosophy.
>>>>>>>   Say what you want about the NFB, no organization is without its
>>>>>>>   problems,
>>>>>>>   but it is the core philosophy that formed the NFB that knows that
>>>>>>>   society
>>>>>>>   has low expectations of the Blind, and this is why the NFB believes
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>   skills and high expectations.
>>>>>>>   And with that, comes giving respect to the Blind, like the respect
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>   choice.
>>>>>>>   Yeah I know about the information of recent about NFB abuse, but
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>   is
>>>>>>>   organizational issues, unrelated to the philosophy.  In fact, the
>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>   that
>>>>>>>   it has come up demonstrates that the NFB is no different than any
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>   organization in interpersonal staff issues.
>>>>>>>   And choice does not mean training center choices.
>>>>>>>   Choice isn't always an option, just like if you took a vocational
>>>>>>>   course
>>>>>>>   in
>>>>>>>   college, there are things you have to take, so to me, the lack of
>>>>>>>   choice
>>>>>>>   in
>>>>>>>   this regard is different than computer software, where all the
>>>>>>> choices
>>>>>>>   will
>>>>>>>   reach the same end result.
>>>>>>>   In states where the NFB philosophy is embraced, if a client said I
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>   to
>>>>>>>   use a Mac, or I want Window Eyes, then that is what they would get,
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>   questions asked.
>>>>>>>   They would not have to fight to get it.
>>>>>>>   I simply cannot imagine a counselor saying that someone has to use
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>   software that the counselor wants them to have.
>>>>>>>   When I hear that stuff, I almost cannot believe it, but I know
>>>>>>> Butch
>>>>>>>   well
>>>>>>>   enough to know he wouldn't make that up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Glenn
>>>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>   From: "Butch Bussen" <butchb at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>   To: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>   Cc: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>; <speakup at linux-speakup.org>;
>>>>>>>   "Milan
>>>>>>>   Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>; <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>   Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 8:18 AM
>>>>>>>   Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   You are right.  In Nevada, freedom pushed jaws to the rehab people
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>   took them out for steak diners and so forth.  I fought like hell to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>   them to buy window-eyes.
>>>>>>>   73
>>>>>>>   Butch
>>>>>>>   WA0VJR
>>>>>>>   Node 3148
>>>>>>>   Wallace, ks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   On Sun, 14 Aug 2022, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   And where do these employers learn about jaws?
>>>>>>>>   In fact, provide if you do not mind an example of how  this works
>>>>>>>>   exactly.
>>>>>>>>   after all, unless I am incorrect, these employers are not personal
>>>>>>>>   Jaws
>>>>>>>>   users, meaning someone they trust continues to sell them on an
>>>>>>>>   expensive
>>>>>>>>   program instead of a largely free one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Karen,
>>>>>>>>>     Most employers don't want NVDA, and will only allow Jaws.
>>>>>>>>>     In Nebraska, if an employer said put on whatever works, the
>>>>>>>>>     counselors
>>>>>>>>>     will
>>>>>>>>>     use NVDA, because of the cost of Jaws.
>>>>>>>>>     If some of the clients in a call center already use Jaws, but
>>>>>>>>>     don't know
>>>>>>>>>     NVDA, the counselor will use Jaws, because the other clients
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>     need
>>>>>>>>>   to
>>>>>>>>>     learn one of the two.
>>>>>>>>>     So it's all choice, but in the workplace, it depends on what
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>   employer
>>>>>>>>>     will allow.
>>>>>>>>>     Also, sometimes scripts need to be made, and there are more
>>>>>>>>> Jaws
>>>>>>>>>   scripters
>>>>>>>>>     available than there are NVDA add-on writers.
>>>>>>>>>     So this perception that Jaws is forced by rehab, from my 31
>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>     in the
>>>>>>>>>     business I can say is rubbish.
>>>>>>>>>     Now, if a counselor did not know how to use NVDA, and either
>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>>>>     be
>>>>>>>>>     chosen,
>>>>>>>>>     the rehab counselor is able to select the one that the
>>>>>>>>> counselor
>>>>>>>>>     feels
>>>>>>>>>   is
>>>>>>>>>     best for the student and for the counselor's teaching.
>>>>>>>>>     When it comes to part B moneys, which is used for
>>>>>>>>> non-vocational
>>>>>>>>>     purchases,
>>>>>>>>>     where a lot of Jaws purchases come from, it is in the agency's
>>>>>>>>>     best
>>>>>>>>>     interest
>>>>>>>>>     to spend as little as possible, because that doesn't come back
>>>>>>>>>     like VR
>>>>>>>>>     expenditures do.
>>>>>>>>>     Glenn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>     From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>>>     To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>>>>>>>>>     Cc: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal"
>>>>>>>>>     <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>>>>>>>>>     <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>     Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 6:15 PM
>>>>>>>>>     Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     The challenge with that example is that, as one often gets
>>>>>>>>>   reminded,
>>>>>>>>>   the
>>>>>>>>>     rehab systems track record for facilitating  employment for
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>   clients
>>>>>>>>>     is quite poor.
>>>>>>>>>     With a high percentage of unemployment among our clients.
>>>>>>>>>     Making,
>>>>>>>>>     speaking personally, your buying Jaws for personal use not
>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>     reflecting how the system would respond to an alternative
>>>>>>>>>     request.
>>>>>>>>>     Now if someone from organized rehab said, okay freedom
>>>>>>>>>     scientific, we
>>>>>>>>>   are
>>>>>>>>>     creating an employment program where our clients will train in
>>>>>>>>>     Linux,
>>>>>>>>>     needing a solid screen reader solution for the system.  We will
>>>>>>>>>     give you
>>>>>>>>>     an
>>>>>>>>>     exclusive development contract for s millions to create the
>>>>>>>>> tool.
>>>>>>>>>     Fs would likely say where do we sign?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     True enough, but largely, rehab people typically use Windows
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>     work,
>>>>>>>>>>     and
>>>>>>>>>>     probably at home, but they need to cater to the needs of the
>>>>>>>>>>     client.
>>>>>>>>>>     If a client used Linux, I doubt that any rehab counselor
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>   advocate
>>>>>>>>>>     that
>>>>>>>>>>     the client switch to Windows, unless that was needed for a
>>>>>>>>>>     specific
>>>>>>>>>>   job.
>>>>>>>>>>     In Nebraska, we purchased Jaws much more for personal use
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>     we did
>>>>>>>>>>     for
>>>>>>>>>>     work related situations.
>>>>>>>>>>     So if FS made a JFL, and people were using Linux, rehab would
>>>>>>>>>>     indeed
>>>>>>>>>>     purchase a JFL product.
>>>>>>>>>>     Glenn
>>>>>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>     From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>>>>     To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>>>>>>>>>>     Cc: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal"
>>>>>>>>>>     <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>>>>>>>>>>     <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>     Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 3:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>>     Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     there was an interesting discussion a month or so back on the
>>>>>>>>>>     blinux
>>>>>>>>>>     list
>>>>>>>>>>     about how long it took completing tasks in the gui as apposed
>>>>>>>>>>     to say
>>>>>>>>>>     command line,  the comments were quite informative.
>>>>>>>>>>     Still, fs has never marketed largely to the end user. Instead
>>>>>>>>>>     they
>>>>>>>>>>     market
>>>>>>>>>>     to the American rehab community.
>>>>>>>>>>     how much market research has  the rehab community done to
>>>>>>>>>>     support the
>>>>>>>>>>     need
>>>>>>>>>>     for choices?
>>>>>>>>>>     How many rehab counselors support  training in Linux?
>>>>>>>>>>     one comment made by the subject of this thread about poor
>>>>>>>>>>     quality
>>>>>>>>>>   speech
>>>>>>>>>>     is a fine one...out of the box Linux has few speech choices.
>>>>>>>>>>     everyone
>>>>>>>>>>     brings their needs to the table there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     if you want to get fs to care about Linux, you  need to prove
>>>>>>>>>>     there is
>>>>>>>>>>     money for  them there, from their main source of income.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Well since Orca seems to work on so many distros, I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>   know why
>>>>>>>>>>>   FS
>>>>>>>>>>>     would
>>>>>>>>>>>     not be able to do the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>     If Jaws users could switch into Linux, it would be a real
>>>>>>>>>>>     game
>>>>>>>>>>>     changer,
>>>>>>>>>>>     and
>>>>>>>>>>>     I think with lots more Blind Linux users, we would start
>>>>>>>>>>>     seeing
>>>>>>>>>>>     accessibility in Linux not being a second thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>     Glenn
>>>>>>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>     From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>     To: "K0LNY_Glenn" <glenn at ervin.email>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Cc: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>; "Milan Zamazal"
>>>>>>>>>>>     <pdm at zamazal.org>;
>>>>>>>>>>>     <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 1:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>     Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     Well technically freedom scientific does not exist any
>>>>>>>>>>>     longer, being
>>>>>>>>>>>     bought
>>>>>>>>>>>     by another company.
>>>>>>>>>>>     Still, I can respect why they, or nvda have not created
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>     tools
>>>>>>>>>>>     for
>>>>>>>>>>>     Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>     That is because as I understand it, Linux is  quite like
>>>>>>>>>>>     clay. You
>>>>>>>>>>>   can
>>>>>>>>>>>     mold a distribution into almost anything. there are various
>>>>>>>>>>>     personifications of the system, all sorts of ways and
>>>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>>>     and
>>>>>>>>>>>     options
>>>>>>>>>>>     for creativity.
>>>>>>>>>>>     however adaptive tools are often extensions of physical
>>>>>>>>>>>     characteristics,
>>>>>>>>>>>     hands, eyes, ears, brains, combinations of these.
>>>>>>>>>>>     To build solid assistive tools one must have a solid
>>>>>>>>>>>     foundation as
>>>>>>>>>>>   it
>>>>>>>>>>>     were.  that is part of why there have needed to be so few
>>>>>>>>>>>     Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>     efforts
>>>>>>>>>>>     at
>>>>>>>>>>>     inclusion, they  created  with, and then created in-house
>>>>>>>>>>>     adaptive
>>>>>>>>>>>     tools
>>>>>>>>>>>     for various  populations that were built into the system.
>>>>>>>>>>>     Although Microsoft did not bother until much later, in
>>>>>>>>>>> theory
>>>>>>>>>>>     at
>>>>>>>>>>>     least,
>>>>>>>>>>>     the
>>>>>>>>>>>     consistency of windows is what makes it possible for
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>     or the
>>>>>>>>>>>     former
>>>>>>>>>>>     gw  micro or nvda to create something that can in theory
>>>>>>>>>>>     work.
>>>>>>>>>>>     Floor for the furniture is somewhat solid.
>>>>>>>>>>>     Just my thoughts,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, K0LNY_Glenn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     I would like to see Freedom Scientific make a Jaws For
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     JFL
>>>>>>>>>>>>     I'd certainly pay the yearly rental fee for it, and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>     would bring
>>>>>>>>>>>>     many
>>>>>>>>>>>>     more
>>>>>>>>>>>>     users into Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     FS could, with its resources, possibly make it more
>>>>>>>>>>>> robust
>>>>>>>>>>>>     than
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Glenn
>>>>>>>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>     From: "Milan Zamazal" <pdm at zamazal.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     To: <speakup at linux-speakup.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Cc: <Blinux-list at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 12:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Subject: Re: "Accessibility in Fedora Workstation" (fwd)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     "KL" == Karen Lewellen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <klewellen at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>   KL>  What bothers me most are his lack of actual
>>>>>>>>>>>>   qualifications,
>>>>>>>>>>>>   and
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL>    absolute dismissal of what he has not experienced..as
>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL>    he
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL>    defines Linux usage for everyone.  That attitude is
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL>    dangerous,
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL>    because he is educating those outside of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL>    accessibility
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL>    experiences, who will believe his ignorance is
>>>>>>>>>>>> factual.
>>>>>>>>>>>> KL>    he
>>>>>>>>>>>>   has
>>>>>>>>>>>>   KL>  to be expert, it is his job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Hi Karen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     I know Lukas personally and I admire his skills and
>>>>>>>>>>>>   qualifications.
>>>>>>>>>>>>     I
>>>>>>>>>>>>     also know first hand that he is open to constructive
>>>>>>>>>>>>     feedback and
>>>>>>>>>>>>   I
>>>>>>>>>>>>     believe he???Td be happy to be corrected about possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>     technical
>>>>>>>>>>>>     inaccuracies in the interview.  It may be also a good
>>>>>>>>>>>>     opportunity
>>>>>>>>>>>>   to
>>>>>>>>>>>>     find out what???Ts possibly missing in making anybody
>>>>>>>>>>>>     better
>>>>>>>>>>>>     informed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     As for ???oabsolute dismissal of what he has not
>>>>>>>>>>>>   experienced?????,
>>>>>>>>>>>>   what
>>>>>>>>>>>>     reasonable free software alternatives to a less or more
>>>>>>>>>>>>     standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>     desktop
>>>>>>>>>>>>     with Orca and a software synthesizer can you see for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>     common
>>>>>>>>>>>>   blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>     user
>>>>>>>>>>>>     who needs to use a fully working web browser, to read and
>>>>>>>>>>>>     process
>>>>>>>>>>>>     text
>>>>>>>>>>>>     documents, to be compatible with other computer users,
>>>>>>>>>>>>     etc.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     And let???Ts be realistic.  We celebrate every single
>>>>>>>>>>>>   developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>   hired
>>>>>>>>>>>>     to
>>>>>>>>>>>>     improve accessibility.  This tells something about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     state of
>>>>>>>>>>>>   the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     matters.  We cannot expect that a single person will fix
>>>>>>>>>>>>     all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>     kinds
>>>>>>>>>>>>     of accessibility problems in all the environments.  Lukas
>>>>>>>>>>>>     works at
>>>>>>>>>>>>     his
>>>>>>>>>>>>     job focusing on certain areas currently seen there as
>>>>>>>>>>>>     urgent ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>     and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>     appreciate this opportunity.  Anybody else seeing a need
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>     work
>>>>>>>>>>>>   on
>>>>>>>>>>>>     other areas is welcome to contribute to whatever sees
>>>>>>>>>>>> fit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>   as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>   do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Milan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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