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[96.236.145.55]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d16sm5052828qke.5.2017.06.18.09.28.06 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 12:28:06 -0400 (EDT) X-X-Sender: dandunfee@ds-mac-mini.home To: Linux for blind general discussion Subject: Re: working with nano Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.26]); Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:28:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.26]); Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:28:08 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'209.85.220.174' DOMAIN:'mail-qk0-f174.google.com' HELO:'mail-qk0-f174.google.com' FROM:'dandunfee@gmail.com' RCPT:'' X-RedHat-Spam-Score: 0.27 (BAYES_50, DCC_REPUT_00_12, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_PASS) 209.85.220.174 mail-qk0-f174.google.com 209.85.220.174 mail-qk0-f174.google.com X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.5.110.26 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 X-loop: blinux-list@redhat.com From: Linux for blind general discussion X-BeenThere: blinux-list@redhat.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: junk Reply-To: blinux-list@redhat.com List-Id: Linux for blind general discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:28:11 -0000 Yes I was introduced to pilot, a good file management program. I still use it in the terminal. When an update to a mac port of alpine is available pilot still is included in the package for alpine. Btw, the most recent version for nano is 2.8.4 in a mac port. On Sat, 17 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Were you also introduced to pilot another one of alpine's extras as > well? If anyone used dos earlier in their lives and liked nswp you'll > also like pilot. > > On Sat, 17 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 09:28:22 >> From: Linux for blind general discussion >> To: Linux for blind general discussion >> Subject: Re: working with nano >> >> I was introduced to nano by pico the default editor with the alpine mail >> client loaded when composing or replying to mail. It was part of the >> alpine package and could be used indenpendently as a text editor. >> >> Nano is a much improved pico and can be substituted for use in alpine. >> >> In the '90's I used dial up to a shell acount to use alpine and used pico and >> later nano as my text editor. >> >> Currently I use both in the terminal of a mac. >> >> The key to making best use of nano is to configure the features one wants in >> the nanorc file. This includes key mapping for each option with ctrl+letter. >> >> The port for the mac comes with a text nanorc.sample file which notates all >> the options. >> >> If this is not available in other distributions I would be happy to send it >> as an attachment. >> >> On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> >>> Yes, this thread is interesting. I think I'll try some of what people >>> have suggested. I've tried nano a few times, but I clearly didn't find >>> all the places where I could learn to make it do more of what I wanted. >>> >>> In 1979, the only thing I knew about computers was that I didn't have >>> one. I was in school for another line of work. My serious time on >>> computers began in the spring of 1989, and I got at least half-seriously >>> into Linux in around 2005. At that time, such editing as I did was >>> using emacs, but mostly I've used vim. >>> >>> Anyway, I appreciate the info on this thread. >>> >>> Al >>> >>> On 06/16/2017 11:24 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >>>> This has been an interesting thread so far. I began using >>>> unix in 1989 on a DEC system which used the trade name of Ultrix >>>> and the standard editor was vi so I've stuck with vi ever since >>>> since it is so common. >>>> >>>> Well, ultrix went away many years ago and my working >>>> group used Sunos for several years as well as IBM's aix and >>>> finally Linux and I kept using vi. >>>> >>>> To me, nano was and mostly still is that aggravating >>>> application one gets on a new Debian system before we have time >>>> to fix it. >>>> >>>> I have on rare occasions used it long enough to do >>>> something that just had to be done quickly and wasn't too >>>> complicated but the first thing I noticed was that rather echoing >>>> the characters I was typing, it echoed the current column number >>>> on the line which is probably what happens with show-cursor on. >>>> >>>> As I said, this usually happens when you are trying to >>>> fix something that is seriously broken and people are waiting and >>>> breathing down one's neck so I have never been too happy to hear >>>> >>>> "gnu nano 2.x.y" instead of what one usually hears when vi or vim >>>> fires up and one knows what the keys do so you can concentrate on >>>> the task at hand. >>>> >>>> Shortly before I retired, one of my coworkers asked me if >>>> I would put nano on the FreeBSD system we were using as the unix >>>> machine in our department. I installed it with no problem and >>>> realized that I was dealing with someone who was used to nano and >>>> didn't like to use vi any more than I liked to be forced to use >>>> nano so as far as I was concerned, it was turn abouts, fair play. >>>> It's kind of a case of saying "yes" when you possibly can rather >>>> than hassling somebody over basically nothing. >>>> >>>> When I first started out in 1989, I was using an EchoGP >>>> hardware synth through an IBM PC/XT running DOS and kermit as the >>>> terminal emulator and I now use Debian Linux with speakup. These >>>> are the good old days right now-- not perfect, but certainly >>>> better than when I first started using computers which was 1979 >>>> on an Apple II followed in the eighties by IBM PC's and clones. >>>> >>>> By the way, elvis was a DOS version of vi that I used a >>>> lot back in the day. Don't forget that we all walked 5 miles up >>>> hill to and from school in the snow even in Summer. >>>> >>>> Martin McCormick >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Blinux-list mailing list >>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >> >> XB >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Blinux-list mailing list >> Blinux-list@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >> > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > XB